asked on PC Upgrade
Hi All,
Attached below is a system report outlining the details of my computer. I believe it is around 4-5 years old.
I don;t use it for games, but I do require a little bit of a punch. I use Oracle Virtual Box and run a number of virtual images. Also I have a few TBs of data on a server in the house that it needs to crunch through...
I am thinking that all it needs is new motherboard and chip + memory? The DVD, HDs etc are all fine.
The question that I have is (a) is that all that is needed or do you recommend anything else? (b) do you recommend just reusing the case or purchasing a new case?
Thanks
A.
Computer:
Computer Type ACPI x86-based PC
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 1
Internet Explorer 9.0.8112.16421 (IE 9.0)
DirectX DirectX 11.0
Computer Name DUNIAN-PC (DunianPC)
User Name Dunian
Logon Domain Dunian-PC
Date / Time 2012-12-29 / 07:50
Motherboard:
CPU Type QuadCore Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200, 2333 MHz (7 x 333)
Motherboard Name Pegatron IPIBL-LB (Benicia) (1 PCI, 2 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, Audio, Video, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)
Motherboard Chipset Intel Bearlake G33
System Memory 3328 MB
DIMM1: Samsung M3 78T5663QZ3-CF7 2 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (6-6-6-18 @ 400 MHz) (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)
DIMM3: Samsung M3 78T5663QZ3-CF7 2 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (6-6-6-18 @ 400 MHz) (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)
BIOS Type AMI (02/23/09)
Display:
Video Adapter ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series (512 MB)
Video Adapter ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series (512 MB)
3D Accelerator ATI Radeon HD 4350 (RV710)
Monitor HP 2311x (DVI) [23" LCD] (3CQ208D7Q1)
Monitor HP VS19 [19" LCD] (CNN61213TM)
Multimedia:
Audio Adapter ATI Radeon HDMI @ ATI RV710/730/740 - High Definition Audio Controller
Audio Adapter Realtek ALC1200 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller [A-2]
Storage:
IDE Controller Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller
Storage Controller MagicISO SCSI Host Controller
Disk Drive SAMSUNG HD103SI ATA Device (1000 GB, 5400 RPM, SATA-II)
Disk Drive ST1000DM003-9YN162 ATA Device (1000 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III)
Optical Drive MagicISO Virtual DVD-ROM0000
Optical Drive TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653Q ATA Device (DVD+R9:16x, DVD-R9:12x, DVD+RW:22x/8x, DVD-RW:22x/6x, DVD-RAM:12x, DVD-ROM:16x, CD:48x/32x/48x DVD+RW/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM)
SMART Hard Disks Status OK
Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 931.5 GB (181.5 GB free)
E: (NTFS) 931.5 GB (931.4 GB free)
Total Size 1863.0 GB (1112.9 GB free)
Input:
Keyboard HID Keyboard Device
Mouse HID-compliant mouse
Network:
Primary IP Address 192.168.1.72
Primary MAC Address 00-22-15-58-97-2F
Network Adapter Realtek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) Family PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.20) (192.168.1.72)
Network Adapter VirtualBox Host-Only Ethernet Adapter (192.168.56.1)
Peripherals:
Printer Canon MX870 series FAX
Printer Canon MX870 series Printer
Printer Fax
Printer Microsoft XPS Document Writer
Printer Nitro PDF Creator (Pro 8)
Printer Send To OneNote 2010
FireWire Controller AT&T/Lucent IEEE1394 FireWire Controller (PHY: Agere LFW3226/3227)
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB2 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB2 Enhanced Host Controller [A-2]
USB2 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB2 Enhanced Host Controller [A-2]
USB Device Apple iPad
USB Device Apple iPhone
USB Device Apple Mobile Device USB Driver
USB Device Apple Mobile Device USB Driver
USB Device Unknown Device
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Input Device
USB Device USB Input Device
DMI:
DMI BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
DMI BIOS Version 5.37
DMI System Manufacturer HP-Pavilion
DMI System Product FR615AA-ABU m9441uk
DMI System Version
DMI System UUID AC096CEC-6F8EDD11-9C13011D
DMI Motherboard Manufacturer PEGATRON CORPORATION
DMI Motherboard Product Benicia
DMI Motherboard Version 1.01
DMI Motherboard Serial Number MS1C87R70802003
DMI Chassis Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
DMI Chassis Type Desktop Case
Computer-Spec.pdf
Attached below is a system report outlining the details of my computer. I believe it is around 4-5 years old.
I don;t use it for games, but I do require a little bit of a punch. I use Oracle Virtual Box and run a number of virtual images. Also I have a few TBs of data on a server in the house that it needs to crunch through...
I am thinking that all it needs is new motherboard and chip + memory? The DVD, HDs etc are all fine.
The question that I have is (a) is that all that is needed or do you recommend anything else? (b) do you recommend just reusing the case or purchasing a new case?
Thanks
A.
Computer:
Computer Type ACPI x86-based PC
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 1
Internet Explorer 9.0.8112.16421 (IE 9.0)
DirectX DirectX 11.0
Computer Name DUNIAN-PC (DunianPC)
User Name Dunian
Logon Domain Dunian-PC
Date / Time 2012-12-29 / 07:50
Motherboard:
CPU Type QuadCore Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200, 2333 MHz (7 x 333)
Motherboard Name Pegatron IPIBL-LB (Benicia) (1 PCI, 2 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, Audio, Video, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)
Motherboard Chipset Intel Bearlake G33
System Memory 3328 MB
DIMM1: Samsung M3 78T5663QZ3-CF7 2 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (6-6-6-18 @ 400 MHz) (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)
DIMM3: Samsung M3 78T5663QZ3-CF7 2 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (6-6-6-18 @ 400 MHz) (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)
BIOS Type AMI (02/23/09)
Display:
Video Adapter ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series (512 MB)
Video Adapter ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series (512 MB)
3D Accelerator ATI Radeon HD 4350 (RV710)
Monitor HP 2311x (DVI) [23" LCD] (3CQ208D7Q1)
Monitor HP VS19 [19" LCD] (CNN61213TM)
Multimedia:
Audio Adapter ATI Radeon HDMI @ ATI RV710/730/740 - High Definition Audio Controller
Audio Adapter Realtek ALC1200 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller [A-2]
Storage:
IDE Controller Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller
Storage Controller MagicISO SCSI Host Controller
Disk Drive SAMSUNG HD103SI ATA Device (1000 GB, 5400 RPM, SATA-II)
Disk Drive ST1000DM003-9YN162 ATA Device (1000 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III)
Optical Drive MagicISO Virtual DVD-ROM0000
Optical Drive TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653Q ATA Device (DVD+R9:16x, DVD-R9:12x, DVD+RW:22x/8x, DVD-RW:22x/6x, DVD-RAM:12x, DVD-ROM:16x, CD:48x/32x/48x DVD+RW/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM)
SMART Hard Disks Status OK
Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 931.5 GB (181.5 GB free)
E: (NTFS) 931.5 GB (931.4 GB free)
Total Size 1863.0 GB (1112.9 GB free)
Input:
Keyboard HID Keyboard Device
Mouse HID-compliant mouse
Network:
Primary IP Address 192.168.1.72
Primary MAC Address 00-22-15-58-97-2F
Network Adapter Realtek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) Family PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.20) (192.168.1.72)
Network Adapter VirtualBox Host-Only Ethernet Adapter (192.168.56.1)
Peripherals:
Printer Canon MX870 series FAX
Printer Canon MX870 series Printer
Printer Fax
Printer Microsoft XPS Document Writer
Printer Nitro PDF Creator (Pro 8)
Printer Send To OneNote 2010
FireWire Controller AT&T/Lucent IEEE1394 FireWire Controller (PHY: Agere LFW3226/3227)
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller [A-2]
USB2 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB2 Enhanced Host Controller [A-2]
USB2 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB2 Enhanced Host Controller [A-2]
USB Device Apple iPad
USB Device Apple iPhone
USB Device Apple Mobile Device USB Driver
USB Device Apple Mobile Device USB Driver
USB Device Unknown Device
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Input Device
USB Device USB Input Device
DMI:
DMI BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
DMI BIOS Version 5.37
DMI System Manufacturer HP-Pavilion
DMI System Product FR615AA-ABU m9441uk
DMI System Version
DMI System UUID AC096CEC-6F8EDD11-9C13011D
DMI Motherboard Manufacturer PEGATRON CORPORATION
DMI Motherboard Product Benicia
DMI Motherboard Version 1.01
DMI Motherboard Serial Number MS1C87R70802003
DMI Chassis Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
DMI Chassis Type Desktop Case
Computer-Spec.pdf
HardwareDesktopsWindows 7
Last Comment
nobus
SOLUTION
THIS SOLUTION ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
So this is an HP? It identifies itself as a "DMI System Manufacturer HP-Pavilion" at one point.
If that's the case, then you need a new case because most if not all HP systems have custom motherboards and you can't just replace it and put a new one in the case (in most circumstances). Plus, a motherboard sold today for a system with oomph will likely require a better power supply than you likely have. Now, any replacement of motherboard that old will require a new CPU (that is part of the point, right?) and that will likely require replacing the RAM. So you can still use the graphics cards, hard drives (if you want to wipe them) and the optical drive.
Now I don't bother with optical drives these days - I keep a USB one and use that on what has become a RARE occasion that I need it.
And a 5400 RPM hard drive is a bit slow compared to the 7200... I'd replace it, using the 5400 for long term/archive like storage.
I'd make sure you get at least 8 GB of RAM but RAM is so cheap now... my desktop has 32 GB and I think it cost me about $120.
If that's the case, then you need a new case because most if not all HP systems have custom motherboards and you can't just replace it and put a new one in the case (in most circumstances). Plus, a motherboard sold today for a system with oomph will likely require a better power supply than you likely have. Now, any replacement of motherboard that old will require a new CPU (that is part of the point, right?) and that will likely require replacing the RAM. So you can still use the graphics cards, hard drives (if you want to wipe them) and the optical drive.
Now I don't bother with optical drives these days - I keep a USB one and use that on what has become a RARE occasion that I need it.
And a 5400 RPM hard drive is a bit slow compared to the 7200... I'd replace it, using the 5400 for long term/archive like storage.
I'd make sure you get at least 8 GB of RAM but RAM is so cheap now... my desktop has 32 GB and I think it cost me about $120.
short answer is go to a new pc. proccessor you have is Intel Core 2 Quad which is DDR2 ram support & old socket type. it is in front side bus technology & now not used in intel latest sandy bridge technology. front side bus had some limitations in data transfer & intel i serias has removed that.
other differences http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/257243-28-difference-quad
http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/questions/101-315101/difference-between-core-2-quad-intel-i7
latest sandy bridge memory frequency is above 1333Mhz.
another thing is sandy bridge series GPU has moved in to proccessor.
I personaly use core i5 2500 & there is a big difference i feel core 2 quad & sandy bridge
http://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/manual/64-ia-32-architectures-optimization-manual.pdf
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405317,00.asp
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/core-i7-processor.html
other differences http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/257243-28-difference-quad
http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/questions/101-315101/difference-between-core-2-quad-intel-i7
latest sandy bridge memory frequency is above 1333Mhz.
another thing is sandy bridge series GPU has moved in to proccessor.
I personaly use core i5 2500 & there is a big difference i feel core 2 quad & sandy bridge
http://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/manual/64-ia-32-architectures-optimization-manual.pdf
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405317,00.asp
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/core-i7-processor.html
ASKER CERTIFIED SOLUTION
THIS SOLUTION ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
It's a micro-ATX board so the case options are pretty much normal
It will support a 64bit OS with up to 8GB RAM
You should make sure it's updated to the latest BIOS version if you are going 64bit though (v5.43)
This BIOS version does not have good SSD support via the integrated ICH9R SATA controller so a conventional 7200rpm HDD may be a better option
I'd go for the OS upgrade and add 2 x 2GB RAM, stick with the CPU, depending on what you're doing the 5400 > 7200RPM HDD change may not give you much for the $$.
It will support a 64bit OS with up to 8GB RAM
You should make sure it's updated to the latest BIOS version if you are going 64bit though (v5.43)
This BIOS version does not have good SSD support via the integrated ICH9R SATA controller so a conventional 7200rpm HDD may be a better option
I'd go for the OS upgrade and add 2 x 2GB RAM, stick with the CPU, depending on what you're doing the 5400 > 7200RPM HDD change may not give you much for the $$.
SOLUTION
THIS SOLUTION ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
Sorry garycase, should have explained this was an issue with 4 pavilions we had with this board, changed to SSDs and although they were recognized data transfer rates were barely those of the 5400's we had HP look at them and that was the story we got back, the SATA controller/BIOS wasn't up to it and there wasn't going to be an update anytime soon so we dropped the idea. All anecdotal, don't see anything to that effect on their site and may have all been smoke and mirrors. They did have some incentive to fix though as we were renegotiating their contracting at the time.
ASKER
Wow... many thanks for all the comments and thoughts. Very kind of you all. There are a lot of points, so I will try and tackle them one by one.
Three Options
(1) New Computer
(2) Upgrade Existing - Memory & SSD + 64 bit OS
(3) New motherboard & processor, case etc.
Option 1 - New Computer
My thoughts are that is a waste of money. Personally I will be purchasing things that I dont need - e.g. Windows 8 (I have a W7 non OEM licence), Hard Drive, DVD etc. and will then need to spend money on things that I would like - e.g. SSD etc. Please do shout if you disagree - but I think this is a non option for me.
Option 2 - Upgrade Existing - Memory & SSD + 64 bit OS
The total cost of this option is:
- Memory - Approx £40 for 4GB
- SSD for OS - Approx £120 for 120 GB
- Windows 7 64 bit - No cost (I have a retail licence)
Total Cost: ~£160
If this does not work... the money wasted would only be the memory cost at £40. However there is the point raised from MASQUERAID that infers that SSD for the motherboard would not be beneficial and I would have to change the motherboard.
Option 3 - New motherboard & processor, case etc.
A new motherboard + CPU + memory is approx. £300 (http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-intel-performance-bundle--includes-p8z77-v-lx--intel-core-i5-3570k---8gb-black-mamba-ddr3--8BPY.html?catid=15005&src=3)
A new case is £60
120 GB SSD is £120
Total cost £480
So... as for options, I could go with Option 2 and if this doesn't work then go for Option 3 - the risk is £40 sunk cost lost. There is also the option of going with Option 3 and not the SSD as many not be required. I do have a Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM which I could use....instead.
So lots of options.
Any further thoughts? I would be interested to hear if you believe that my summary is correct or not.
Question - how could I benchmark my existing system and check the performance. It would be good to compare pre and post upgrade performance
Cheers
A.
Three Options
(1) New Computer
(2) Upgrade Existing - Memory & SSD + 64 bit OS
(3) New motherboard & processor, case etc.
Option 1 - New Computer
My thoughts are that is a waste of money. Personally I will be purchasing things that I dont need - e.g. Windows 8 (I have a W7 non OEM licence), Hard Drive, DVD etc. and will then need to spend money on things that I would like - e.g. SSD etc. Please do shout if you disagree - but I think this is a non option for me.
Option 2 - Upgrade Existing - Memory & SSD + 64 bit OS
The total cost of this option is:
- Memory - Approx £40 for 4GB
- SSD for OS - Approx £120 for 120 GB
- Windows 7 64 bit - No cost (I have a retail licence)
Total Cost: ~£160
If this does not work... the money wasted would only be the memory cost at £40. However there is the point raised from MASQUERAID that infers that SSD for the motherboard would not be beneficial and I would have to change the motherboard.
Option 3 - New motherboard & processor, case etc.
A new motherboard + CPU + memory is approx. £300 (http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-intel-performance-bundle--includes-p8z77-v-lx--intel-core-i5-3570k---8gb-black-mamba-ddr3--8BPY.html?catid=15005&src=3)
A new case is £60
120 GB SSD is £120
Total cost £480
So... as for options, I could go with Option 2 and if this doesn't work then go for Option 3 - the risk is £40 sunk cost lost. There is also the option of going with Option 3 and not the SSD as many not be required. I do have a Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM which I could use....instead.
So lots of options.
Any further thoughts? I would be interested to hear if you believe that my summary is correct or not.
Question - how could I benchmark my existing system and check the performance. It would be good to compare pre and post upgrade performance
Cheers
A.
the best known one : http://www.passmark.com/
other : http://www.futuremark.com/
for free : http://www.pcworld.com/article/258473/how_to_benchmark_your_pc_for_free.html
other : http://www.futuremark.com/
for free : http://www.pcworld.com/article/258473/how_to_benchmark_your_pc_for_free.html
Your summary is farily good -- but as I noted above, you do NOT need to be concerned about SSD performance with an ICH9 chipset. I don't doubt Masqueraid's experiences; but there have been a LOT of improvements in SSDs in the last couple years; and it's also very likely your board has a newer BIOS than the ones that had the problem.
As for benchmarking your upgrade => PassMark is useless for that. Since you're not changing your CPU, a CPU-based benchmark will give you identical results !! If you go with the memory/SSD upgrade, I'd do two things: (1) Time your actual boot time NOW and after the upgrade. [By "actual boot time" I mean from the point where the OS actually starts booting [AFTER the POST delay (which is fixed, so it won't change no matter what upgrades you do with the same motherboard)] until you hear the logon sounds (or see the desktop). You'll notice a BIG improvement in this with an SSD (and a very minor difference with more memory). (2) Run HDTune on your current system disk; and on the new SSD. The best "benchmark" however, is simply how much better the system "feels" to you => and I'm certain that with twice the RAM and an SSD it'll be MUCH nicer.
As for benchmarking your upgrade => PassMark is useless for that. Since you're not changing your CPU, a CPU-based benchmark will give you identical results !! If you go with the memory/SSD upgrade, I'd do two things: (1) Time your actual boot time NOW and after the upgrade. [By "actual boot time" I mean from the point where the OS actually starts booting [AFTER the POST delay (which is fixed, so it won't change no matter what upgrades you do with the same motherboard)] until you hear the logon sounds (or see the desktop). You'll notice a BIG improvement in this with an SSD (and a very minor difference with more memory). (2) Run HDTune on your current system disk; and on the new SSD. The best "benchmark" however, is simply how much better the system "feels" to you => and I'm certain that with twice the RAM and an SSD it'll be MUCH nicer.
SOLUTION
THIS SOLUTION ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
SOLUTION
THIS SOLUTION ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
ASKER
Apologies for the delayed response in closing this question. But I am a firm believer it is best to close it when it is all done and dusted.
I purchased a SSD drive, Memory and re-installed Windows 7 x64 bit. Very surprised with the speed increase. Option 2 worked well. Many thanks to all for helping!!! Always very impressed on the standard of help I get from this forum.
I purchased a SSD drive, Memory and re-installed Windows 7 x64 bit. Very surprised with the speed increase. Option 2 worked well. Many thanks to all for helping!!! Always very impressed on the standard of help I get from this forum.
i wonder why i was not credited - in my very first post i suggested just that :
>> However, i found the biggest speed increase for my system came from installing an SSD for the OS - intel 160 GB SSD <<
>> However, i found the biggest speed increase for my system came from installing an SSD for the OS - intel 160 GB SSD <<
i would look into i-5, or i-7 series cpu, and at least 8 GB, or better 16 GB
while the disk drives are still OK, and can be used, have also a look into the 6 gb sata drives :
http://www.trustedreviews.com/Seagate-Barracuda-XT-2TB-SATA-6Gb-s-HDD_Peripheral_review
However, i found the biggest speed increase for my system came from installing an SSD for the OS - intel 160 GB SSD
i keep my data on a 1 TB drive