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First a happy new year to one and all!

Here is a new Rat's Difficult Puzzle for 2013

"Warp four, Mr.Sulu."

"Aye,aye, Captain"

"We canna go a lot faster than that with our new dilithium crystals", said Scotty proudly.

"Thirty three times", piped up Checkow.

"More precisely one hundred" corrected Mr.Spock.

"At a long shot" joked Sulu.

"A-maze-ing!" said Dr.McCoy.

"What's all this about, gentlemen?" enquired Captain Kirk.

What indeed is this all about?
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by:captain
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Happy New Year to you too!
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by:captain
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"We canna go a lot faster"

This translates to cannot go faster, but that would contradict "proudly". Correct to assume "can" instead?
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by:BigRat
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Correct. It was my attempt of a Scottish accent.
The only one which seems to work is "Judy, Judy, Judy".
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by:andyalder
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With a scotish accent that would sound like "Juday"? If so we might just be looking at warp field mechanics.
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by:BigRat
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Forget the accent.

Look at Dr.McCoy's utterance first, then find the other words which go with it.
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Anything to do with a real maze created as a tribute to Star Trek?
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by:BigRat
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>>Anything to do with a real maze created as a tribute to Star Trek?

Clearly not.

>>Look at Dr.McCoy's utterance first, then find the other words which go with it.

And find the words in the question which go with it.
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by:armchair_scouse
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Snakes and Ladders in space?
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by:H. M. O'Roid
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er, is the answer "Heseltine"?
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by:BigRat
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Nope and Nope.

My last comment is still the best clue.
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by:bsod
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>> What indeed is this all about?

It's all about the amazingly long shot odds of this Q helping me to earn Premium before I get suspended again for creating new dilithium crystals.


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by:BigRat
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Good grief! I've bought a house, moved countries, husband's retired and this simple question is STILL UNSOLVED.

The captain's command has caused a series of comments - basically each trying to out-do the previous - all of which are a clue to the puzzle - including the command.

If this continues, I shall be posting a comment, not from my iPod but from my grave!
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by:SunBow
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Personally I give up prior to even opening to view question and recommend to any to pay heed only to my prior poor record at helpfulness (thought provoking) in such a puzzle, I do not recall achieving greater than 10% at either, even accumulative. But once again I'll post if only to update sub's attention and initial two lines with a belated

                Happy 2014 !

My initial read of canna from Scotty was "truly", not canno, where were source to differ the interpretation could differ. I'm enough of a trekkie to applaud the effort in phrasing the question, that much led to feeble attempt to have a look at doing comment.

I think we can disregard the gender issue (omission of) Uhura's

                Captain! Nebula!
      or
                We're down to being only 90% alive!
                Nice skirt, Chekov, but it clashes with your shoes

Concerning author I'd have increase emphasis on dilithium, but concerning the recommended start with McCoy, quote "A-maze-ing!" which seems to emphasize maze with its hyphens, but not the start which has Kirk. While maze can go to maize to corn to ethanol to power to crystal to computer to ... I cannot link maze to much other than its most obvious aspect in first quote of Kirk as in its number of sides while internally having a goal (eye) to reach for to achieve success"

              Warp four

I can note that the only numeric is in first line, if we ignore relevance, then one-upsmanship may be something like a:

     a lot > 33 > 100 > long

Where the latter is both a reach and a joke, and methinks that while some think 33*3=100 we can ignore the naval "all ahead one third" or "full throttle". Space travel is not from air force or army but from Navy.

Another progression lies outside the quotes, simplifying

     proudly > piped > corrected > joked > enquired

As usual I canno' fathom a permute to compute.

Revisiting, "a lot" in geometry is a two dimensional rectangle (not 33 acres, may be 10 acres) as is a maze, a maze is a lot. Where lots are not rectangular they remain four sided. A maze is a puzzle. So

      maze > four > lot > ?

Times? How many times can you solve a maze? None (minotaur present) or one (Spock). Leaves potential long shot joker for me to solve maze or puzzle. Long is not so two dimensional, nor is a shot, even when it has a containment such as of glass. I think I need a double. Trying to solve a good maze or puzzle is a longshot (one word). Four can go to for or sides, even fore, swing away.

      maze > four > lot > one (time) > long shot

The solution for a maze like a naval hurricane is its center, it's eye. Sigh, Aye, aye (oi)
 
While maze is noun, reference in quote may not be, may be like zinging around, slinking down, slinging up. Shots can be linear as being piped, maze resolution is linear through piping, no hopping over walls. Solving this puzzle successfully by trying for only one time would be an amazing long shot. Do I yield? Aye, I concede.

Lastly, while amazingly "simple question" was posted as "Difficult Puzzle", let me append a

       happy home-making !  (France?)
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by:TommySzalapski
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"World's largest corn maze" has 4 mazes in 33 acres of corn. Don't see where the 100 comes in though.
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by:BigRat
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SunBow is (and welcome back!) starting along the right track by picking the words out of the story and trying to put them into some order. Obviously the words have different meanings than the standard, and these other meanings all have a connection, and this connection is what it all about.
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by:SunBow
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Thanks, I thought I'd fared far worse, maybe I'm getting back to a 10 per-cent level.

@TommySzalapski, you bested my find of the ten acres of corn (but we can't have both corn and maze, can we?) For my own missing hundred, I thought of cent while not making sense. Going for alternate to decimal numbering, I'd dump boolean but there are others, such as roman, but seems limited. 100>C>see|sea; 4>iv>intravenous. I still miss out any possible connection, but while I may have gotten somewhere with a Rat question, I don't recall getting far with a puzzle, however difficult or easy. but then several years have past since I've seen one.

I'd thought stick of wood can 'warp', but the other progressions had more common, I doubted author knew about grain (oats) 'shot' from guns. I admit surprise to this getting more comments so quickly given its age.

With the additional clues I'll try again. Naw, I'd better sleep on it again. I'm very pleased enough to learn of not only the site availability (and it really looks different) and the presence of whom I'd grown fond of. Where I thought I hit URL for quick sneak-peek, I've now 'enough' endorphins to return another day or two.......

              Happy Earth Week
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by:andyalder
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Pity Ratty didn't ask this 8 years ago since the biggest maize maze was elsewhere at the time - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-395656/Trekky-fan-builds-worlds-largest-maze-tribute.html

Current record is 53 acres according to http://coolpatchpumpkins.com/corn-maze but maybe length of the aisles is better than area anyway since you could just cut a square path around a 100 acre maize field and claim that as the biggest maze.
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by:☠ MASQ ☠
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>>I admit surprise to this getting more comments so quickly given its age.

But Rat's Q's are still some of the best here :)

Have been subbed to this one since it popped up but was waiting for better brains to be involved.  My thought processes are usually too tangential for these.

However will drop in one of my earliest thoughts which was Sulu's "long shot" comment about Spock's 100 and wondered about betting odds 100:1,  33:1,  4:1.

My mispent youth reminded me that 33:1 is nicknamed a "Double Carpet" which needs a warp.

But like I said I'm usually going off in completely the wrong direction :)
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by:SunBow
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Ditto, including
Long shots from an enterprise would not 'phase' Uhura, torpedoing any response from that quarter regardless two any implied odds for precision, no matter any "fore" (duck) acclamation concerning IPO

New Dilithium needs mine upgrade, mine, not yours > possession is 3*3 tenths of the law,  
It's about all the guns, pipes, crystals, acorns and cheese that are mine.
A maze > A maize > A corn > acorn -ing > squirreling   (away the dilithium cheese) > storage
A 100-1 shot chance 'against odds'  from Spock would not phase a Kirk decision to go forth and not turn about;
Continual out-doing each other leads to inflation ($ or universe expansion) and inflatable balloons viewing the fields of grain from above - or cartoon exclamations (or hovering mouse over cheese)

Crystal "clear" smoke from (Hobbit) 'pipes' ... smoking (shot) gun
Clearly a precision gun produces more smoke when warped if shot before enquiring whether corrected  ... odds are (use of) acorn as shot will warp precision of gun
<ugh>
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by:BigRat
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>>A maze > A maize > A corn > acorn -ing > squirreling  

Things are not what they appear to be, so don't try to find synomyns for the words as they stand, but try to find other meanings.

What is rather annoying is that the solution to the puzzle can be found using Chamber's Twentieth Centuary Dictionary, but strangely not using the online one! I shall write and complain.
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by:andyalder
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Hmm, maze may not be the thing we get lost in at all since it also means a winding movement such as in a dance (from OED online). That would fit in quite well with "warp" since we could Do the Time Warp Again.
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by:SunBow
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There is too little 'time' to lookup each word, perform all permutations and enquire applicability. <ugh> pour me another 'shot', and enlighten my 'pipe', I'm not 'fast'-ing at this 'time'. It's crystal clear 'timing' of mine warped evolution of sabertoothed pride not fast-ened to derive a 'correct' answer when thought in a maze of time amongst a maze of expansive galactic proportions best in deed-ed properly correct to stead-fast-ness of another to warped goal of substantive canna of cheese unless they are fasting from comment this time.

Discounting any omissions, that run-on diminishes value of numerics, while less so the value of a historical example to that of science's fiction. So dam the torpedoes and full speed ahead. (ignoring captain as head of enterprise; not about an answering captain)
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by:SunBow
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For retrogradal placing drive in reverse, recollection of ancient history lends to topical interest in monarchy and navy, tho this leads me nowhere as responders 'duke' it out in a bout. (retrograde is perception, not direction)

The captain (head) leads experts to success from royal chair (throne) by taking the path of a royal road. Numberology:  4" * 100" = 400 sq. in', while small for a legion of centurions happens to be the lot size of royal paper. Again lending to treatment in 2d rather than higher. (from andyalder...) dances are typically in lots of four sides, including square, waltz, rock (crystal not rolled). Alternative to correct path is royal mess to be fasted of no matter how expedient to royal achievement.

The progression from staff was a graduation of remarks, a royal graduation is passing out which is enabled with increasing shots (entendre intended).

While Prince Harry, a captain in the army is #4 in line (2d pipe) for shot at throne, I've no idea on how that gets compounded or what anyone would tell him it is about in either this or 33'rd century, while the 33rd in pipe would be a considerable long shot, for any age, any century.

Even less worthy thoughts - where crystal begins as single seed, a new one can evolve.. the format of diamond in 2d can have four sides as does the maze and lot, even a pipe (and dance).

Taking a shot at triggering a neuron or three.
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by:SunBow
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<ping>              Comment of the month!          [ Just a milestone footnote as we take on "new look" following a week of inactivity.]
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by:BigRat
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I think I'm going to have to close this question myself. I shall give the last hint. Take a copy of Chambers 20th centuary dictionary and lookup the word "warp". (PS: The online version is incomplete and does not contain the definition)
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Piping on the edge of the cloth may stop the warp from fraying which may be Checkov's clue. Trouble is though that Spock said "corrected" and warp is almost the antonym of that. Also can't see anything that ties in with kedging although the further you can throw the kedge anchor the more you can warp the yacht before you have to throw it again so a long shot may help there.

Happy 2003 anyway ;)
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by:SunBow
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warp: curve, haul, pull, thread, turn, twist
            bias, distort, falsify, flood, manifold, parameter, sail, wing

                      Happy Holiday !                  :)
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by:SunBow
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Assumption: path to answer lies in what not here  http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/

warp verb (warped, warping) tr & intr 1 said of wood and other hard materials: to become, or make it become, twisted out of shape through the shrinking and expanding effects of damp or heat, etc. 2 to become, or make something, distorted, corrupted or perverted. 3 to misinterpret something; deliberately to give a false meaning to something. 4 to turn something from the right course. 5 naut to move (a vessel) by hauling on a rope fixed to a position on a wharf. noun 1 the state or fact of being warped. 2 an unevenness or twist in wood, etc. 3 a distorted or abnormal twist in personality, etc. 4 a shift or displacement in a continuous dimension, especially time. 5 naut a rope used for warping a vessel. 6 weaving the set of threads stretched lengthways in a loom, under and over which the widthways set of threads (the weft or woof2) are passed. warped adj. warper noun.
ETYMOLOGY: Anglo-Saxon weorpan to throw.
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strike:            bias, curve, distort, falsify, haul, pull, thread, turn, twist   (wing?)
remainder:  flood, manifold, parameter,  ....(sail?)                                                     (?)
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by:andyalder
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Bloody Anglo-Saxons - weorpan is near enough as bad as  waepentake. Why can't they leave their diphthongs at home?
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by:BigRat
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SunBow: Why don't you go down to your local library and ask them if there is anyway they could get you a copy of Chamber's Twentieth Centuary dictionary?
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by:☠ MASQ ☠
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warp, wörp, v.t. to twist out of shape: to pervert:,
  to haul (a ship) by warps or ropes attached to
  posts on a wharf, &c. - v.i. to be twisted out of
  the straight:   to swerve. -n. the threads
  stretched out lengthwise in a loom to be
  crossed by a weft or woof: a rope used in
  towing, -adj warped, twisted by shrinking:
  perverted, embittered and biased in outlook
  (e.g. he had a warped nature). [O.E weorpan,
  werpan
; Ger. werfen, to cast.]

[Chambers 20th Century Dictionary, Chambers, Edinburgh; New Edition edition (12 May 1983)]
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Centuary
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by:BigRat
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MASQ: How blind can one be?

That is not the entire entry. My dictionary is the first reprint of that edition. Why don't you scan in the ENTIRE entry so that everyone can have a go?
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So nearly in Google's cache.
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by:BigRat
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Now this question, being classified as abandoned since nothing has happened in 14 days - never mind the fourteen months - i stopping me from asking more questions, so I am forced to anser it myself.
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The answer is a "red herring".

My mother-in-law used to work in the Cornish fishing industry. A warp, she said when Star-Trek first started, is four herrings.  Thirty-three warps make a long hundred. And a hundred long hundreds make a mease or maze (the two words are pronounced the same).

Thus Kirk's order of warp four is the start of a play on words. There is controversy about what hundreds and long hundreds are, hence Spock's correction. And of course McCoy finds this all a-maze-ing.

http://www.arbesman.net/blog/2011/04/04/unit-of-measure-1-warp-4-herrings/
http://www.theoldfoodie.com/2013/02/when-hundred-is-not-hundred.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Cornish_units_of_measurement

Chambers gives you the warp to herring connection, the rest can be googled.
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by:andyalder
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I can barely fathom* the answer.

* five ft.
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by:☠ MASQ ☠
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Thank you for the solution - I'm pretty sure I'd have never got there, one of those "you either know this or you don't" - but thanks as ever for taking the time to puzzle us.

(ps a Fathom is six feet - or about a dozen kippers nose-to-tail )
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by:☠ MASQ ☠
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That might account for all those wrecks off the Cornish coastline!!  :)
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Puzzle not solved.
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