asked on MS Access 2003 SubForm Limit
Is there a limit to the number of subforms in MS Access 2003?
I think I read somewhere it's 7...but what does that mean?
Does it mean that THIS would be the limit?
MainForm
SubForm1 Subform2 Subform3
SubForm1_1 SubForm1_2 SubForm1_3
Or THIS?
MainForm
SubForm1
SubForm1
SubForm1
SubForm1
SubForm1
SubForm1
I think I read somewhere it's 7...but what does that mean?
Does it mean that THIS would be the limit?
MainForm
SubForm1 Subform2 Subform3
SubForm1_1 SubForm1_2 SubForm1_3
Or THIS?
MainForm
SubForm1
SubForm1
SubForm1
SubForm1
SubForm1
SubForm1
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Jim Dettman (EE MVE)
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Three levels deep is it too...
Jim.
Jim.
ah just did a double check and that changed at some point from 3 to 7. 3 was the old limit for nested forms.
BTW, the other way (non-nested) is just a limit on resources available; I'm not aware of any limit there other then 754 controls over the lifetime of a form (which I'm thinking as I'm saying that, has changed as well to over 1200).
Jim.
BTW, the other way (non-nested) is just a limit on resources available; I'm not aware of any limit there other then 754 controls over the lifetime of a form (which I'm thinking as I'm saying that, has changed as well to over 1200).
Jim.
'over 1200'
really ... about time.
wait ... this spec is still showing 754 ...
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/access-2010-specifications-HA010341462.aspx
where did you see this ?
mx
really ... about time.
wait ... this spec is still showing 754 ...
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/access-2010-specifications-HA010341462.aspx
where did you see this ?
mx
<<where did you see this ?>>
I actually tested it. With each release since A97, the number of controls has gone up.
I'll see if I can find the post...I may even have the DB I tested with lying around.
Jim.
I actually tested it. With each release since A97, the number of controls has gone up.
I'll see if I can find the post...I may even have the DB I tested with lying around.
Jim.
OK found my old posts (it is from another developers list):
A2 - 653
A97 - 752
A2000 - 800
A2002 - 894
A2003 - 895
A2007 - 1040
A2010 - 1040
So the current limit is not as high as I was thinking (1200), but it's 1040 which is well above the published spec.
Code that was used to check this is below. Control type didn't seem to make a difference (I only tested labels and text controls though) as I got the same numbers each way. This code was also run on multiple machines and verified by different people. All got the same numbers.
So apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on some other internal constraint. This is similar to the table ID limit, which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
Jim.
Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
Dim frm As Form
Dim ctlText As Control
Dim ctlLabel As Control
Dim intK As Integer
' Create form based on Customers form.
Set frm = CreateForm()
For intK = 1 To 2000
' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 + intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
' Create child label control for text box.
Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "", 100, 100)
Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
Next intK
End Sub
A2 - 653
A97 - 752
A2000 - 800
A2002 - 894
A2003 - 895
A2007 - 1040
A2010 - 1040
So the current limit is not as high as I was thinking (1200), but it's 1040 which is well above the published spec.
Code that was used to check this is below. Control type didn't seem to make a difference (I only tested labels and text controls though) as I got the same numbers each way. This code was also run on multiple machines and verified by different people. All got the same numbers.
So apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on some other internal constraint. This is similar to the table ID limit, which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
Jim.
Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
Dim frm As Form
Dim ctlText As Control
Dim ctlLabel As Control
Dim intK As Integer
' Create form based on Customers form.
Set frm = CreateForm()
For intK = 1 To 2000
' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 + intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
' Create child label control for text box.
Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "", 100, 100)
Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
Next intK
End Sub
How funny ... imagine - a spec that Microsoft has wrong. I wonder how many others of off ?
Interesting difference between A2002 and A2003 .... one control.
mx
Interesting difference between A2002 and A2003 .... one control.
mx
I think the spec was written at the time of A95/A97 (that's when it first appeared), and has simply been carried forward without anyone really checking it.
Meanwhile, the process that's involved with the limit has evolved over time and allows more. Whether that's by design or just a by-product of other changes is hard to say.
Seems strange too that it's gone up in every release, so my guess it's a result of something else.
and the really weird part; no where did we come up with 754!
Jim.
Meanwhile, the process that's involved with the limit has evolved over time and allows more. Whether that's by design or just a by-product of other changes is hard to say.
Seems strange too that it's gone up in every release, so my guess it's a result of something else.
and the really weird part; no where did we come up with 754!
Jim.