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The question title does say almost all of it. Worthy of note is that the answer is unlikely googleable nor wikiable. Perhaps....

What is interesting about the 12th October 2004?



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by:Martin Liss
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Your birthday?
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by:TommySzalapski
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Given that she became a member here on 06/02/2005 and would have been less than a year old...

If you punch that into a calculator in ddmmyyyy format and look at it upside down it reads "hoosolsl" which makes just about as much sense.
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It is not related to me.
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by:TommySzalapski
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I'm assuming it has to do with the date itself and not anything that happened on that day.
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by:Martin Liss
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Given that she became a member here on 06/02/2005 and would have been less than a year old...
I realized it would make him young but I couldn't resist.
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by:captain
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>>I'm assuming it has to do with the date itself and not anything that happened on that day.

Strictly speaking neither.
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by:Rartemass
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Nothing of significance happened on that day (at least not to the greater public).
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Seemed an average day to me...
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by:tliotta
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Strictly speaking neither.
That seems to eliminate both the symbolic representations (e.g., '2004-10-12', '12/10/2004', etc.) and all happenings during that day.

Tom
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by:nickg5
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It would be interesting, if stated in that exact format.

12th October.

There is no 12th October. There is only 1 October each year.

Now, if it was meant to say "the 12th of October" then you have a specific date in time.
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by:TommySzalapski
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nick5g, that's a standard way of saying dates in many countries including India and (I believe) the UK, which is where captainreiss hails from.

Note also that ddmmyyy not mmddyyy is the most common way to express the dates there in case you are looking for patterns in the numbers. Makes a lot more sense that way too. The U.S. is a little odd in some areas.
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I beg your pardon? It's the rest of the world that is a little odd.
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by:captain
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The eliminate all doubts, I could have written the question using any acceptable format and it would not affect the answer.
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After due consideration, I have come to the conclusion that it is a random date, chosen for the sole purpose of "yanking our chain".
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by:captain
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Wrong place to yank chains, or chain yanks for that matter. There is no randomness here.

This play on words is not a hint it merely highlights that there is no special angle to understanding the question or answer.

Some good ideas already.
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The Condition of the Working Class in England, 1209-2004
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>> Wrong place to yank chains

Whoops, wrong TA. My bad.   : (
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It's starting to remind me of the list of everybody on Earth, ranked in order from 'Most Interesting Person' to 'Least Interesting Person' (which unfortunately doesn't seem to help approach the answer at all, AFAIK).

Tom
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@tliotta. Hm, I think it may help.

@whatboy, I think you will find that 1209 would make this 12th September...
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by:andyalder
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Probably the date in numbers but so many formats.

20041012 is the most logical format but Cap'n may use UK format 12102004
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andy, see my earlier post:

The eliminate all doubts, I could have written the question using any acceptable format and it would not affect the answer.
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by:nickg5
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At what point in time, will you need to award yourself the points for the correct answer?
I'll watch this one to see if anyone gets it. Alot of smart people here but I predict none will get it.

Since there is a 12th of October in every year, I'm guessing the key to the answer is to zero in on the 2004.
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by:captain
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Since that date is important, it may not be the 12th or the OCTOBER or the YEAR, but all together.

If it is interesting what else is it...
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And it happened to be that one but it could have been any...
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captainreiss:
And it happened to be that one but it could have been any...

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a. A day in time when the sun rose in the east and set in the west.
b. A day in time when it rained in somewhere
c. endless list
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Any Day, but it happened to be that one...but what?
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by:andyalder
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Just to note it was Columbus Day in many parts of America, not in Venesuela where they renamed it "Day of the Indigenous Resistance". Strange that since I though the Spanish slaughtered most of them.
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by:nickg5
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Columbus Day falls on the 2nd Monday in October. In 2004 it was October 11th.
Wikipedia: Since 1971, the holiday has been fixed to the second Monday in October.

Columbus Day would be too easy to be the correct answer.

I just noticed this queston is only 3 days old.

I think captainreiss said the answer was not an event that happened on that date.
Alot of things happended on that date. Famous people died, etc.
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captainreiss:
And it happened to be that one but it could have been any...

What do you mean by "it could have been any?"
Any what?
It could have been any day in October or any October 12th in any year?

Maybe your child was born that day. Maybe you got married that day. Endless.........
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by:andyalder
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Well, it was on that day that a group of pro-Chávez protesters tore down Columbus statue anyway claiming that like Sadam the tyrant's statue was down. Chávez being an indiginous name rather than a Spanish one of course ;)
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by:Daydreams
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Adding the numbers doesn't result in anything too interesting, but maybe a direction.

12 +10+2004 or 1+2+1+0+2+0+0+4

Hmm.. a puzzle!
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by:captain
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Everything is wide of the mark but there is an interesting assumption in nickg5's post.

It is not a mathematical or otherwise related puzzle, it is the date....
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by:tliotta
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It could be interesting because something didn't happen that day.

Interesting to whom? I'd guess that every date that has ever passed has been interesting to at least some small group. For this to be meaningful, most of us would need to agree "hmm... that's interesting" when we learn the answer. Now, it might be interesting only to the kind of people who notice forums like this one, or perhaps specifically this one. The determination of "interesting" is a problem in itself.
Strictly speaking neither.
...and...
Since that date is important,...
Those two statements are hard to reconcile. Then:
If it is interesting what else is it...
It catches attention. It begs investigation. It is noticeable or notable. It is different from other dates in some unusual way. It...?

Tom
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by:TommySzalapski
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Will October 12th 2032 be just as interesting?
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by:captain
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Will October 12th 2032 be just as interesting?
Not likely, would be a strange coincidence, probably as likely as tomorrow.

Without interpreting too much into that middle section of tliotta's post, I think the last sentence and one word in particular combined with the first sentence of the post make up a significant chunk of the answer....

It should be noted, that this is not limited to this community but interesting to people that are generally interested.
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Please note: Edit of my previous post.
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by:tliotta
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Is it interesting due to uniqueness, or is it due to (very) rare circumstances? Did you notice the interesting aspect, or was it pointed out to you?

Tom
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by:captain
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I wondered, and then I checked.

I have dropped some hints what it could be about.

Rare or unique, neither. More like when was the....{insert answer here}

(as you can probably guess it is hard to hint without giving away the answer)
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by:tliotta
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And it's also hard to think of ways to ask about it so that you can answer without giving away the answer. Is there a direct logical relationship between the 'interesting' attribute of 12th October 2004 and an attribute of either 11th or 13th October 2004?

(It also reminds me of the game I called "Yes or No", since I never knew a name for it. You ask questions that I'll answer with 'yes/no' type answers. Your objective is to figure out why I answer as I do. When you think you know, you say "I think I know." Then I start asking questions to see if you answer correctly.)

Tom
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by:jerryb30
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It is '21 Questions'. Normally starts with: Is it an animal, a vegetable or a mineral? OR: Is it bigger than a breadbox.

Does it involve planetary/astral positions?
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by:tliotta
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No, not '21 Questions'. In 'Yes or no', the responses to those three questions would be three 'No' answers. No limit on the number of questions.

For this.question, I considered asking about positions, but wasn't sure how a 'Yes' answer should be interpreted since "12th October 2004" is technically determined by 'planetary/astral positions' by definition. I haven't worked out an appropriate wording of that category of question.

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by:captain
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There is a lot more obscurity needed than yes or no... :)

It has nothing to do with astral, planetary, astronomical or astrological (for that matter) positions....

There is a post that states two independent facts, maybe they help?
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by:tliotta
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This question was missed (or deliberately ignored, which might be a possible reply in itself): Is there a direct logical relationship between the 'interesting' attribute of 12th October 2004 and an attribute of either 11th or 13th October 2004?

Tom
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Sorry, I thought I answered this when I said it could have been any day. There is no relationship to the 11th or the 13th as there is to any other day afterwards.

There may be a logical relationship to another or many days before, and I am sure there is, but I don't know which day(s) that would be nor does it matter.
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by:tliotta
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That's pretty much what I was getting at, as far as a working concept goes. Even more than I expected. Curious that the 11th would be excluded while (some) other earlier dates (probably) aren't. I can make general sense of the 13th and later dates, too, as well as a potential coincidence for "October 12th 2032" or any other upcoming chosen date.

Hmmm...

Tom
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Make no mistake, the date will never be chosen. It is a chance as chance can get.
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by:tliotta
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No, I mean someone chooses merely to ask you about a future date. When TommySzalapski asked about "October 12th 2032", you figured it would be a coincidence if it turned out to be similar to "12th October 2004". That date was a chosen date. If some other date was chosen to ask about, it would also be a coincidence to find it had the subject characteristic.

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Yes, sorry I misunderstood. This 12th October 2004 date is at least up until today the one with the interesting attribute that I am looking for. No other date in history is.

However and here is the issue of note, it could be tomorrow if tomorrow is the same as 12th October 2004 for it having the same interesting attribute or any other day in the future.

So another 12th October of such interesting attribute would be a coincidence merely on the fact that it is an unlikely re-occurrence in the first place and that the date was coincidental in the first place and the date itself could have been any date in the past...

{when I hear myself read the above in my mind I see how strange it must read but it is factually getting the point across without spoiling it}
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It could be interesting because something didn't happen that day.

Interesting to whom? I'd guess that every date that has ever passed has been interesting to at least some small group. For this to be meaningful, most of us would need to agree "hmm... that's interesting" when we learn the answer. Now, it might be interesting only to the kind of people who notice forums like this one, or perhaps specifically this one. The determination of "interesting" is a problem in itself.

Strictly speaking neither.
...and...

Since that date is important,...
Those two statements are hard to reconcile. Then:

If it is interesting what else is it...
It catches attention. It begs investigation. It is noticeable or notable. It is different from other dates in some unusual way. It...?

Tom
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captainreiss:
Without interpreting too much into that middle section of tliotta's post, I think the last sentence and one word in particular combined with the first sentence of the post make up a significant chunk of the answer....

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please state:
a. the "last sentence" and highlight the particular word, and
b. state the first sentence.

Leaving out all words that do not fall into your statement which was:

"Without interpreting too much into that middle section of tliotta's post, I think the last sentence and one word in particular combined with the first sentence of the post make up a significant chunk of the answer...."

I'm not clearly see the significant chunk in Tom's post. Maybe Tom does but I do not.
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There is an endless list of events that happened on that date in time, and could also happen on any other date in time.
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However..............
Oct. 12, 2004 was the 286th day of that year.
That event, October 12th being the 286th day of the year, only occurs 25 times per century.
In the other 75 years October 12th is always the 285th day of the year.
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by:captain
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nickg5, it has nothing to do with the date. And you will find other anomalies pertaining to x times per century that are equally (non) interesting.

Your post prior is much more on track. If you isolate the two elements from Tom's post you will get closer even more so. You should note, that I also left some breadcrumbs that may hint at one of the words in particular....
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Do you mean that the 1st sentence and the last sentence and the particular word is in the paragraph below? (Because Tom's post had multiple sections)
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Interesting to whom? I'd guess that every date that has ever passed has been interesting to at least some small group. For this to be meaningful, most of us would need to agree "hmm... that's interesting" when we learn the answer. Now, it might be interesting only to the kind of people who notice forums like this one, or perhaps specifically this one. The determination of "interesting" is a problem in itself.

If so, then the first sentence is:
Interesting to whom?
(and one of those 3 words is a hint)
And the last sentence is: The determination of "interesting" is a problem in itself.
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If the first sentence with a key word and the last sentence, you refer to, are not in that paragraph, can you state the 1st sentence and last sentence that you refer to?
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by:captain
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*sigh* :D

This is now getting really easy:

It could be interesting because something didn't happen that day.

Interesting to whom? I'd guess that every date that has ever passed has been interesting to at least some small group. For this to be meaningful, most of us would need to agree "hmm... that's interesting" when we learn the answer. Now, it might be interesting only to the kind of people who notice forums like this one, or perhaps specifically this one. The determination of "interesting" is a problem in itself.

Strictly speaking neither.
...and...

Since that date is important,...
Those two statements are hard to reconcile. Then:

If it is interesting what else is it...
It catches attention. It begs investigation. It is noticeable or notable. It is different from other dates in some unusual way. It...?


Ignore non cursives...
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The world did not come to an end as we know it, on that date in time.
But, it could happen on any date in the future.
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Some say there won't be a World War 4, because World War 3 will destroy us all.
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That is a wrong guess, but that is not the end of the world ;o)
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by:tliotta
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I've been thinking along the lines of it being the last (or first) known day that "something happened (nearly) every day up until that day" (or "something didn't happen that usually is known to happen every day"). If we eventually find out that the pattern, whatever it is, starts up again and ends for some (as yet unknown to us) reason on "October 12th 2032", it would seem to be an incredible "coincidence" that that date was chosen as an example in this thread.

Weakly described, I know.

That's just the direction I've been thinking. Even for that, there are multiple combinations. E.g., it might be interesting because it was the first day that something didn't happen. Or it could be the only day so far that it didn't happen. Or it could be the last day it didn't happen. Mostly I've been thinking in terms of something 'missing' from that day.

That could make it difficult to find via Google/Wikipedia. It could make it hard to find in any archives -- it might not have been notable until after the day ended, if notable at all. If we think of newspaper articles commenting on it, for example, they probably wouldn't show up before the 13th at the earliest. Assuming it was even deemed worth mentioning at the time.

Or all of that could be totally off track.

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A quick read of latest posts, and I see "No other date in history is." I should have taken more time before my previous post.

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1. Forget about any other day. Just focus on the  date in the question.
2. Use one of the tools you describe.
3. One of the option of what that day could be is mentioned in your post but not exactly in which respect.
4. Combine that with the two hint sentences to get a clearer idea.

You have not exhausted your methods for finding it yet, but then again how do you search for something that... ?
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by:nickg5
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Each day an image of our fascinating universe can appear.

APOD: Astronomy Picture of the Day
October 12, 2004

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap041012.html

That could have happened at any date before 10-12-04 and can happen any date in the future.
It did happen on the date in question.
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tliotta appears to be the solver, eventually, he's on the trail...........getting warmer and warmer.
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Sorry long day...

I am sure we had weather and pretty photographs (they are nice...) on many days. I think you are deviating from the path.
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Tom L. will be your solver.......soon..........I believe.
His statements contained clues so he'll be able to pick the clues out better than anyone else.
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That is great but the clues are not that cryptic. I will wait or Tom's return and see if he can bring this back on track, if not I may hint
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by:tliotta
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Anybody else read Roger Zelazny, I think 'Lord of Light'? In it, the protagonist is asked how he got past a particular obstacle. His reply : "Positing infinity, the rest was easy."

There is practically an infinity of possibilities here, and I haven't seen the easy path yet. I've been trying to get a proper concept to form, but it refuses so far to solidify. It keeps feeling close to a tipping point.

So far.

Tom
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Yes indeed.

Ask Michelangelo on whether it was difficult to make the statue of David he will have have told you that it was easy, "just remove anything that does not look like David"

I find your reluctance to revisit the two sentences refreshing. It will make for a longer, possibly more rewarding puzzle. It needs to be noted that a quick resolution is the death of puzzles so I am all for a pivot point.

As you were.
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Can you please within "      " state Tom's two precise sentences and highlight the specific word.

I'm yet to clearly see the two sentences alone, without the rest around it.
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Alone almost. Words individual, no...
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I plead dumb.............
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Here was your comment:
Without interpreting too much into that middle section of tliotta's post, I think the last sentence and one word in particular combined with the first sentence of the post make up a significant chunk of the answer....
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Here was Tom's comment:
It could be interesting because something didn't happen that day.

Interesting to whom? I'd guess that every date that has ever passed has been interesting to at least some small group. For this to be meaningful, most of us would need to agree "hmm... that's interesting" when we learn the answer. Now, it might be interesting only to the kind of people who notice forums like this one, or perhaps specifically this one. The determination of "interesting" is a problem in itself.

Strictly speaking neither.
...and...

Since that date is important,...
Those two statements are hard to reconcile. Then:

If it is interesting what else is it...
It catches attention. It begs investigation. It is noticeable or notable. It is different from other dates in some unusual way. It...?
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Can you clearly type the precise first sentence, last sentence, and highlight "the" word?
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by:TommySzalapski
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First sentence

It could be interesting because something didn't happen that day.

Second

If it is interesting what else is it...
It catches attention. It begs investigation. It is noticeable or notable. It is different from other dates in some unusual way. It...?

The word, she said she won't give.
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by:captain
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Can you clearly type the precise first sentence, last sentence, and highlight "the" word?
No

I revert to Tom's post. Above.

Read though my posts to find hints to "the word". Then figure where this word is most used in context.

And you know where to look.

Come back if you do....

';o)
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by:gronblom
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Everyone is missing the hints.. Tommy got the first sentence of the post (It could be interesting because something didn't happen that day), but I believe the last sentence that is referred to is the last sentence of the middle section:
The determination of "interesting" is a problem in itself.

So, the "interesting" may be the clue word here.
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groblom, the first statement is right on the button.

The second misses the word, "interesting" is not the clue word. Something else is....it is a derivative of another hint word I have been leaving around...
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From the title:
Worthy of note is that the answer is unlikely googleable nor wikiable.
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then comment:
captainreiss:
1. Forget about any other day. Just focus on the  date in the question.
2. Use one of the tools you describe..........which Tom said Google or Wikipedia.
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I've never had to put this much pressure on my brain power in hopes of 20 participation points. (ha ha)
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I am going to state what I think. If it is a clue for others then good.
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gronblom: Everyone is missing the hints.. Tommy got the first sentence of the post (It could be interesting because something didn't happen that day

groblom, the first statement is right on the button.
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THEREFORE, the answer is an event that did not happen on Oct. 12, 2004.
It has never happened before Oct. 12, 2004 but it could happen on any date in the future.

Is that correct?
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by:captain
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Almost. It has happened before it may happen in the future.

Why is something that did not happen on that day interesting?
Where would you find something that did not happen? Does any word in the last sentence I referred to give you a hint to that effect?

Then you need to figure out what did not happen...
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I'm feeling lazy today, but did someone already mention a big space rock that was suppose to hit us, but didn't?
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by:nickg5
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I think there have been many dates in the past, and in recent months, years, when there was a chance of a meteor shower, or space junk, or asteroid hitting the earth and did not.
So, those events, rather those non events, have occurred in the past. (I think)
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It also has nothing to do with astral, planetary, astronomical or astrological (for that matter) positions or meteor, comets, asteroids or other falling or rising objects,,,,
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D'oh... that's right.
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by:nickg5
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Alot of things did not happen that date. Thousands if not millions.
And millions of things did happen that day. It was the exact day that the Seattle Storm won their first ever WNBA Championship.

The "category" in which the "event did not happen" is escaping my brain power.
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Maybe you need to figure if that event is a not for the 12th then what is it for the other day, and how this fits to the other Million things.
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you + we >>> need Tom Liotta.
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I asked him in the lounge to come and have another stab.

Let's see....
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by:jerryb30
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Did some country/island on the international dateline switch zones, and NOT  have a 12 Oct 2004?
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Good thought but no that is not the answer
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Something did not happen which usually happens, or, if it does not happen, it is unusual.
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That is the one but what and why that date?
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We must be the only ones in the world that don't know the answer.

If was something so unusual because it had happened before, but did not happen in 2004, then it would have made the "news." And we'd all know. But, we, here, do not.
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Let me say a previous answer another way.

October 12, 2004 was not Columbus Day that year.

Columbus Day has been on October 12th in the past, and will be in the future too.
But, only if it falls on the 2nd Monday of October.
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Many places have stopped celebrating Columbus day, and this date was Columbus Day.  They have changed it up to Indiginous People Day in celebration of the people who were unmistakably marred by the arrival of explorers/conquerors.  On that particular Columbus Day Venezuelans in Caracas toppled the statue of Columbus and wrote graffiti on the pedestal.

I did find this reversal of Columbus Day to Indiginous People Day interesting, although I still don't get to celebrate it with a day off.  So it is not that unusual for me not to celebrate it.

Ernie
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Is the date meaningful irrespective of time zone?
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11pm the 12th in Ca. was 2am EST and 11am the next day in Asia, so I'd say no, it is not time zone connected. But, it has to be time connected because not all places have the same 24 hour clock.

What was October 12, 2004 for some people, was not October 12th for other people.
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Somebody mucked with their Daylight Saving Time?
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No, that was before the end of Daylight Savings Time. NickG is just saying that the actual timeframe for a day is relative to the location on the globe.

This leads to a question that I was meaning to ask, namely, is this interesting occurance or non-occurrance something that is interesting to a particular people (nation/culture) or would it be interesting to anyone in the world that is generally interested?
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It is Saturday Jan. 19th in USA.

It's 7:15 AM
Sunday, January 20, 2013
Time in Manila, Philippines
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Nothing at all to do with "time" or the date. I appreciate we are now looking back at quite a few comments and it is hard to keep all the yes and no answers in mind.

It could have been any day but it was that one. You also have not further drilled down on the word that may help you to figure out where to look....

This leads to a question that I was meaning to ask, namely, is this interesting occurance or non-occurrance something that is interesting to a particular people (nation/culture) or would it be interesting to anyone in the world that is generally interested?
This information is available to anyone in the world with an Internet connection. If you are interested depends on you but it is something every one will know about.
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Hint:
It is unlikely that it could still happen but the weird thing is that it is theoretically possible to happen on the 12th October 2004 rendering that day totally non interesting...
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It is unlikely that it could still happen (man on the moon) but the weird thing is that it is theoretically possible to happen on the 12th October 2004 (but it did not) rendering that day totally non interesting (as far as man on the moon)
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Well it is not unlikely in the sense of what you may believe is possible but in the sense that the word you are missing becomes true for the event in relation to what I am looking for.

Is it just one event? At the moment, no not even one but also not limited to....
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Possibility: The event that did not happen on October 12, 2004, may happen before this puzzle is solved. Tom L. where are you? The rest of us are running out of brain cells.
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The event did not happen on October 12, 2004.

This is correct.

It may happen on October 12, 2004

This is also correct but very very unlikely.

There is something else in relation to dates that has not been mentioned by anyone yet....I think. Let me check...

{edit} no I cannot see this anywhere.
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Everyone giving up already?
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The list can be endless:
There was no solar eclipse of the sun that date, but there could have been. It was possible.
There was no set of quadruplets born that date in the world, but there could have been.
There was no snowfall in the USA on that date, but there could have been.

Maybe we need the "first" letter of the word the "suggest" the category.

Categories like people, places, sports, history, science, politics, inventions, social, etc.

Or just the number of letters in the word that best describes the category.

I can not speak for the others, but I've always been dumb when it came to riddles, etc.

Tom L. was on the trail it seems........
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The list cannot be endless.

Why would it make a difference if it snowed or not, if there were quadruplets or solar eclipses? All valid answers would point you to the same conclusion here... But, you need to find the essence of why a date is important....

A hint here:
What makes Neil Armstrong special? This is not linked to the puzzle but gives you a concept of what I mean with essence.

Riddles and puzzles cannot be solved by giving clues to its first letter, that would ruin the point of the puzzle.

I left careful clues around that may raise questions like "why is the sentence phrased like this?"

I will not give obvious hints only because the subtle ones don't get read.

So you need to focus on where we are with the clues and it will be rewarding when it all falls into place.

I leave you with the Armstrong thought.
But you need to figure out how 'that' essence relates to our problem here and why the attribute which makes the essence of it does not logically apply here given the clues:

The event did not happen on October 12, 2004. This is correct.

It may happen on October 12, 2004  This is also correct but very very unlikely.

{Note the 'may happen' NOT 'may have happened'!!}


and:
Yes, sorry I misunderstood. This 12th October 2004 date is at least up until today the one with the interesting attribute that I am looking for. No other date in history is.

However and here is the issue of note, it could be tomorrow if tomorrow is the same as 12th October 2004 for it having the same interesting attribute or any other day in the future.

So another 12th October of such interesting attribute would be a coincidence merely on the fact that it is an unlikely re-occurrence in the first place and that the date was coincidental in the first place and the date itself could have been any date in the past...

{when I hear myself read the above in my mind I see how strange it must read but it is factually getting the point across without spoiling it}
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Armstrong was the first person to do something that no other person had done.
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This comment confuses me:

"It may happen on October 12, 2004.  This is also correct but very very unlikely.

How can it happen on that date? That date has passed.

It did not happen on that day but it may.
Should that read: "It did not happen on that date but it could have"
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You need to carefully read my post above.

If you dismiss the comment that confuses you as a typo you will miss a part of the clue.
Note how I clarified that sentence... ;o)

So think about, how can (or where can events) fulfil that statement.

How does the Armstrong scenario apply to a date, where date = Armstrong and still logically fit within the criteria I stipulated?
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It may happen on October 12, 2004  This is also correct but very very unlikely.

{Note the 'may happen' NOT 'may have happened'!!}

....................So, it may happen on October 12, 2004.
I'm blind on how this can be, since there is no October 12, 2004 in the "future."

And the answer is supposed to be something that did not happen on the 12th of Oct. 2004.
It could have but it did not.
It might have but it did not.

So, maybe some person did something on that date that no one had done before that date.

--------------- as for the moon believers. If it was so easy to go to the moon why have we not gone back? Because the evidence is that we never went there. It was a conspiracy. There is a band of radiation between here and the moon that no man can survive. Why not prove it to the world. Send a chimp to the moon to stand beside the flag in the ground for the camera mounted on the landing device. No one tries to go to the moon again, be it NASA, Russia, China, because it can not be done.
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Moon believers? There is enough proof 'out there' that makes doubters look silly.

But this is not about moon landing conspiracies....

You still don't read this correctly. You ought to stick and read carefully.

To answer your statements:
I'm blind on how this can be, since there is no October 12, 2004 in the "future." You are correct, you are blind! Or you are not exploring all possibilities...

And the answer is supposed to be something that did not happen on the 12th of Oct. 2004.
It could have but it did not. Correct
It might have but it did not. Correct

So, maybe some person did something on that date that no one had done before that date. You can only come to the conclusion by avoiding the hints, not by reading them...

;o)
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There is something else in relation to dates that has not been mentioned by anyone yet
Could you be referring to how dates are used to recognize events? Leif Ericson was born sometime in the 970's. October 9th did not become Leif Ericson Day in the US until 1963. It took not quite 1000 years but it did happen. So whatever didn't happen "may" happen on October 12, 2004. Or should I just remain in the shadows??

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towel
Maybe but not yet.
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No time to throw a towel, also you never know when a towel comes handy...cue Douglas Adams...(unrelated)

Paul,
Could you be referring to how dates are used to recognize events?  [...] So whatever didn't happen "may" happen on October 12, 2004. Or should I just remain in the shadows??

That is an interesting progression. Please stay :)

Recognizing something for a particular reason like its importance or the word I was referring to in the last paragraph of one of tliotta's posts...

Now, when events did not happen, that is different. So you may want to turn this on its head. Maybe it is the word event that needs clarification, as I did not introduce it but ran with it I should probably explain my understanding of it.

What I am looking for is an event that relates to an event that did not happen on the 12th October 2004 but may have happened on the same date for the event to happen in the future on the same day in 2004 making this altogether unremarkable again.

So what comes first here? And what is important or the other word that gives you the hint to where you need to look...?

What was the outcome of the Armstrong analogy that did not quite fit the logic of "There may be a logical relationship to another or many days before, and I am sure there is, but I don't know which day(s) that would be nor does it matter. "?
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Is "the word" in this list:
Attention
Investigation
Noticeable
Notable
Different
Unusual
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One more observation. You asked what is interesting "about" 12 October 2004, not on 12 October 2004. Was about refering to the 12th or about the 12th?
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For any date to be interesting, some event would have:
a. happened on that date.
b. did not happen that date, but was expected to happen that date.
c. did not happen before that date, did not happen on that date, but could happen on Oct. 12th in the future.
d. did not happen before that date, did not happen on that date, but Oct. 12, 2004 could be "declared" an interesting date in the future.

And the possibilities appear unlimited.
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Flyster, yes and either referring to the 12th or about the 12th does not alter the answer.

nick, none of these apply. Sorry.
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Request Attention button?
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The event did not happen on October 12, 2004.

This is correct.

It may happen on October 12, 2004

This is also correct but very very unlikely.

.....................................
So, I'm not sure why none of these are related:
For any date to be interesting, some event would have:
a. happened on that date.
b. did not happen that date, but was expected to happen that date.
c. did not happen before that date, did not happen on that date, but could happen on Oct. 12th in the future.
d. did not happen before that date, did not happen on that date, but Oct. 12, 2004 could be "declared" an interesting date in the future.

It's not out of this world, like space or astronomy it was said.
It has nothing to do with the date (see a. through d. above) so maybe Tom L. or Tommy S. or Flyster can add their thoughts or questions.
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I never said that it did not happen before the 12th October 2004.

The fact that it may happen in the future on that 12th October 2004 is a statement to give you 2 things:

1. The truth, as it is possible albeit very unlikely
2. A hint where this could be happening/found as it is logically impossible to have an event occurring posthumously but this is not impossible in the context of the event and how events in that context happen.

Flyster posted a list of words that contain the word which also points to this place, as it is almost associated with it. It is also a derivative of the breadcrumbs I inserted in my various answers.

I think you need to focus on that place to figure out where dates are important...

So, I'm not sure why none of these are related:
For any date to be interesting, some event would have:
a. happened on that date.
b. did not happen that date, but was expected to happen that date.
c. did not happen before that date, did not happen on that date, but could happen on Oct. 12th in the future.
d. did not happen before that date, did not happen on that date, but Oct. 12, 2004 could be "declared" an interesting date in the future.

let me try and answer these to clarify:
a) we agreed it was a 'did not happen'
b) in this case all the events in the same context are usually not expected to happen on the respective days
c) no, yes and no. Happened before, not on that day and could happen on any day after including 12th Octobers but also on the 12th October 2004
d) no, but something in the future could happen that would make something that happened on the 12th October 2004 interesting enough to make the 12th October wholly uninteresting for the purpose of this question...

HINT: If d) happens, one would have to go back further in time to ask this question with a different date....


Clear? Don't give up now  ';o)
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Is it something like a record being broken?
Like, I could say, on January 2 this year it only rained 2 inches in London. That's the least it's rained since October 12 2004. So October 12 2004 is the day where we have seen the least rain since that day.
If tomorrow it only rained 1.5 inches, then we would have to go back farther in time (back to, say, July 16 1982 when it rained 1.2 inches). So October 12 2004 is no longer interesting for not raining in London.
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Yes, that is the principle!!

Very good, so on the 12th October 2004 it was....

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So, it is location speific?
There are areas of the world that get zero rain, zero snow, etc.
Is it weather related?

Can the "event" happen in every country of the world?
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The underlying event is valid worldwide and when it happened it applies to the whole world.
The event that did not happen on the 12th October 2004 is more prone to be noticed by English speaking people.

It is not weather related unless the underlying event was caused by it, but this would be mere coincidental and has no impact on his question, so discard that thought.

It has more to do with the timing statements in Tommy's post...
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There was no discernible rise in global temperatures on that date, and there has been no rise since 1997. As of late 2012, a rise was still absent. This is a phenomenon that affects the entire world.
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But would also be weather related, discard that thought.
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That's where I think you may need to give a category. Maybe not the exact category but the first letter of the category.

There is a long list of categories.
social
political
weather
disasters
people
places
things
events
miracles
technology of all kinds
on and on.
Maybe a tiny "letter" might be a hint you can give some time in the future.
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No can do. The category is as good as the answer.

Nick don't give up so soon, you don't seem to follow up on the hints enough. Did you look at Flyster's list? In the beginning you wanted me to highlight the words, but when someone posts a list you dismiss it. Don't, it will contribute to an idea....

Did you try and work out how and where an event can still happen even after the date has passed? Even if something has passed there may importance in it...

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but the journey is part of the solution.
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Sorry, I've never really been clear on the clues that have been given.
They make me more confused.

There were patents submitted on that date in time, and it may become a real product or drug that could make that date very famous and interesting at some point.

A far away meteor could have exploded on that date and yet to be famous because it has not showered the earth yet.

Riddles, puzzles are not one of my strengths, it's a feeble weakness.

There was scientific and medical discoveries on that date. But, as of today, those discoveries have not made that date famous. That date may have been the date a monkey was cured of cancer with xyz procedure and yet to make it to humans.
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I looked at my list and realized I posted the wrong list. What I wanted to post was:

Is "the word" in this list:
Notable
Different
Unusual

:)
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Nick, don't underestimate your puzzle skills, you are asking the right questions :)

Non of the analogies are part of the answer, but the concept of yet unknown is a good one.

Now find the other word in Flyster's recent list, it is only one of 3 now... ;)
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If it is an non-event which, for the most part, has occured every day prior to the 12th and there again every day after, I would think that would be both "different" and "unusual." Therefore, I'm guessing we are now looking for a non-event that didn't occur which is notable.
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Therefore, I'm guessing we are now looking for a non-event that didn't occur which is notable.

Double negative? In a sense  yes. :) right word too!

But not to make this easier. Let me translate.

Therefore, I'm guessing we are now looking for no notable events that didn't occur.

Head spinning? Good. But where. The word will tell you...
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You cannot change the past. But you can change the implications of the past.

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Where would you do that?
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Music?
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A notable event that did not occur............mmmmm.
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Not music.

Exactly Nick, spot on!
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Did it happen on any October 12th, of any year before 2004?
Did it happen on any date before October 12, 2004, regardless of month and date?
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Latest day of the year with no fatal air plane crashes
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Nick, first question very likely but I did not check nor is it important.
Second yes definitely but that is why that day is interesting.

Now jerry is heading in the right direction but it has nothing to do with a single year with aviation but again a word there is right on the money.

Remind me what was the other word we looked for and in what context do we normally find that.
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Latest
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year
with
no
fatal
air plane
crashes

remove aviation.
remove day of the year with no fatal crashes.

That leaves latest.
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I did not mean a single year. If 12 Oct 2004 was the latest date in a calendar year without a fatal aviation accident since whenever, and then the latest date for a fatal aviation incident occurred on, say, 20 Oct 2013, then 19 Oct 2013 would be the winner.

I am guessing the single word is 'latest'.
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No it isn't. I was going for a different word. Although the concept of latest is good it does not form part of the answer directly, a related word does.

That word is not part of that list, it is a mere coincidence. I am also worried that we focus too much on the guessing of words without an idea or an attempt on an idea of how they fit.

Elaborate on the last example but don't use aviation...and note my last hint...notable...where?
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Where would you do that?

At an archeological research site.
In a courtroom.
In a legislative body.
At a publishing house or site.
In a lawyer's office.

Tom
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earliest?
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None of the above Tom, the word notable is more associated with...

The other end was better jerry...
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btw, are you continuing on the Puzzle over yonder? It is not the same without you...

Yeppers. Others are probing well, and there are so many possibilities that it's just been simmering for a while.

Many years ago I'd stop at a coffee shop after work, drink coffee and do daily crossword puzzles. For some reason one day, I couldn't get "Grant once given to Hollywood", 4 letters, no letters known. I couldn't get "DEED" out of my thoughts, and that wasn't it. It messed up the whole lower-left corner and I abandoned it.

A solid week later, I was sitting there reading that day's newspaper (it was THAT long ago), and up out of subconciousness came "CARY". I could see the whole of the puzzle and had no problem filling it all in in my head. Sheesh... "CARY" Grant! How'd I miss it?

But it started me wondering, and I still wonder.

I hadn't been thinking about it for days, but clearly I was still 'thinking' about it. Without knowing I was doing it. So, where was that 'thinking' actually happening? It felt like there was some small cluster of brain cells that never gave up. They had a puzzle to solve. And when they got the answer, they raised a signal up to consciousness and handed out the answer.

I had the disturbing feeling that there were little brain cell clusters all over inside working on different puzzles from all of my previous lifetime. (I mean, how does subconscious cognitive reasoning really work? It happens.)

So, I guess there are half a dozen or so neurons that keep turning "12th October 2004" over and lining it up next to whatever I run into. (That might be all I have to spare.)

I can't tell, though, how much closer we are since my previous comments. I still have nothing but a far too nebulous concept, and the best I can say is that more possibilities have been eliminated.

Tom
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Tommy:
Is it something like a record being broken?
Like, I could say, on January 2 this year it only rained 2 inches in London. That's the least it's rained since October 12 2004. So October 12 2004 is the day where we have seen the least rain since that day.
If tomorrow it only rained 1.5 inches, then we would have to go back farther in time (back to, say, July 16 1982 when it rained 1.2 inches). So October 12 2004 is no longer interesting for not raining in London.

captainreiss:
Yes, that is the principle!!
Very good, so on the 12th October 2004 it was....?

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Elaborate on the last example but don't use aviation...and note my last hint...notable...where?

Jerry:
Latest day of the year with no fatal air plane crashes.

But is is not aviation, so remove fatal air plane crashes. Add the word notable.

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Latest day of the year + notable = ??
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Above I asked if the event had occured in history before 10-12-2004 and I think you said no.
I then asked if the event had occurred after 10-12-2004 and I think you said no.
I then I asked if it happened on 10-12-2004 and the answer must be no since it is something that did not happen on that date.
I then asked, though it did not happen that date, was the world "expecting" it to happen that day and I think you said no.

Alot of nos there that lead to > It did not happen than date, it never happened before that date and it never has happened after that date = it has never happened at all. If it has never happened how can it be known to anyone.

It's not music, it's not space, aviation, or astronomy. If it is an "event" that would eliminate the category called "people."
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Nick, it's not aviation, so remove "air plane"
Fatal is still fine.

No one dying sounds like it could be an interesting non-event if it was the right people not dying.
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(yes airplane and aviation is the same thing) The Op has said that space, astronomy are not it.

Notable + did not happen + latest + fatal = ?

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China's Space Program sent it's first manned space flight on Oct. 15, 2003. The space vehicle stayed in space for less than 24 hours and returned to earth. It's second manned flight did not take place on Oct. 12, 2004 but did happen Oct. 12, 2005.

This was a scientific and technologically notable event.
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OK, first of all you are getting closer.

As to the timings, when what were and how, I have compiled a synopsis of my posts to give you a clear as mud guidance. These are paraphrased from the answers given by me above...

The words:
Latest? Remove the Tellurium to fit with the hints

Notable? Aha after ignoring most of it we finally take note of the 'notes' I left lying around :) But as for "where"...in what context used with mostly?

Fatal? Yes, noun, colloquial...

The type of answer:
It also has nothing to do with astral, planetary, astronomical or astrological (for that matter) positions or meteor, comets, asteroids or other falling or rising objects or aviation of any kind.

The date:
Not a format or mathematical equation but the date itself as a date in time.

This 12th October 2004 date is at least up until today the one with the interesting attribute that I am looking for. No other date in history is.

There may be a logical relationship to another or many days before, and I am sure there is, but I don't know which day(s) that would be nor does it matter.

Make no mistake, the date will never be chosen. It is a chance as chance can get.

I never said that it did not happen before the 12th October 2004. It has happened before it may happen in the future.

However and here is the issue of note, it could be tomorrow if tomorrow is the same as 12th October 2004 for it having the same interesting attribute or any other day in the future.

So another 12th October of such interesting attribute would be a coincidence merely on the fact that it is an unlikely re-occurrence in the first place and that the date was coincidental in the first place and the date itself could have been any date in the past...

The paradox:
It is unlikely that it could still happen but the weird thing is that it is theoretically possible to happen on the 12th October 2004 rendering that day totally non interesting...

The event did not happen on October 12, 2004.

It may happen on October 12, 2004 but is very very unlikely.

What I am looking for is an event that relates to an event that did not happen on the 12th October 2004 but may have happened on the same date for the event to happen in the future on the same day in 2004 making this altogether unremarkable again.

So what comes first here?

The fact that it may happen in the future on that 12th October 2004 is a statement to give you 2 things:

1. The truth, as it is possible albeit very unlikely
2. A hint where this could be happening/found as it is logically impossible to have an event occurring posthumously but this is not impossible in the context of the event and how events in that context happen.

Something in the future could happen that would make something that happened on the 12th October 2004 interesting enough to make the 12th October wholly uninteresting for the purpose of this question...

HINT: If that happens, one would have to go back further in time to ask this question with a different date....

The thinking man's hints:
1. Forget about any other day. Just focus on the  date in the question.
2. Use one of the tools you describe..........

Why is something that did not happen on that day interesting? What is the essence of this being interesting?
Where would you find something that did not happen? Then you need to figure out what did not happen...
This information is available to anyone in the world with an Internet connection. If you are interested depends on you but it is something every one will know about. The underlying event is valid worldwide and when it happened it applies to the whole world. The event that did not happen on the 12th October 2004 is more prone to be noticed by English speaking people.

What makes Neil Armstrong special? This is not linked to the puzzle but gives you a concept of what I mean with essence. How does the Armstrong scenario apply to a date, where date = Armstrong and still logically fit within the criteria I stipulated?

How does the Armstrong analogy not quite fit the logic of "There may be a logical relationship to another or many days before, and I am sure there is, but I don't know which day(s) that would be nor does it matter. "?

Conclusive clucking bells

It is interesting in itself how we built up an alternative question that more directly asks for the answer in a different way from even more questions... slowly but surely. It will be a "doh!" moment...one predicts...
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'Last' is the word.
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by:nickg5
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'Last' is the word.

The last time Mexico City hosted the summer Olympics was Oct. 12, 1968.
They could have hosted them in 2004, but did not.
They could host them in the future.
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Latest - Te = last

It could be the last time something was not observed, although further research could show it WAS observed.
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Last is the word. Te = Tellurium

The last time is also correct.

That solves the Neil Armstrong analogy, who was first. First however does not fit, given that it happened before....

What & where?

Nick,

The last time Mexico City hosted the summer Olympics was Oct. 12, 1968.
They could have hosted them in 2004, but did not.
They could host them in the future.

How can they host them on the 12th October 2004 in the future?
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Well space, etc. being not related, eliminates rare events like total eclipse of the sun, etc.
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Yes.

jerry,

It could be the last time something was not observed, although further research could show it WAS observed.

That could be the general idea. but that ignores the word clues.
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by:nickg5
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Is Eminem - Michael Jackson part of the answer?
An interesting non event was 10-12-2004.
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No. There is no name associated with the answer. Not a single name.
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Is a language part of the solution?
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English is.
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What I am looking for is an event that relates to an event that did not happen on the 12th October 2004
Is the "event" some type of record? (I'm trying to narrow the field!)
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No.

It is an event that has something to do with "last time".
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And this event happened again today?
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The event did not happen today as the non event that made the 12th October 2004 interesting happened today.

Just checked.
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Does this non event happen just once a day or could it not happen several times per day, say perhaps in each time zone?
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To clarify as your previous question could be read 2 ways.

We are looking for something that did not happen that day making this day interesting.

That thing happened today and that means today is not an interesting day in that respect.

It happened today a few times, but today is relative as it is half way through tomorrow somewhere today whilst somewhere else it is still half of today to go.

When an event happens, time does not matter, but it is not usually visible straight away, sometimes this can lead to the paradox.

But an original event only happens once, when it happens. And then that is it.
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I have found one non event that meets your scenario.

Solar physicist David Hathaway has been checking the sun every day since 1998, and every day for six years there have been sunspots.
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October 18, 2004
Something strange happened on the sun last week, twice, on Oct. 11th and 12th.
There were no sunspots.
So, a non event. Sunspots are seen almost exclusively every day. But there were none on October 12, 2004. A rare "non event"

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To repeat the sentence after the top date above, 10-18-2004:
Something strange happened on the sun last week: all the sunspots vanished.
This is a sign, say scientists, that solar minimum is coming sooner than expected.

So, sunspots occur daily but they were missing and absent on Oct. 12, 2004.

 http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/18oct_solarminimum/
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Nice find. Not what I am looking for, because:

It fits some of the hints, but "Something in the future could happen that would make something that happened on the 12th October 2004 interesting enough to make the 12th October wholly uninteresting for the purpose of this question..." is not quite met

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I used some odd combination of words in the Google bar to find that.

Also, the date of that article was 10-18-2004.
I have not done research on sunspots after 10-18-2004

.......but......
The lack of sunspots, which was an interesting non event on October 12, 2004

may become "an uninteresting event," if sunspots are not seen, far more often than the two dates between 1998 and Oct. 18, 2004.

If the lack of sunspots has become numerous after Oct. 12, 2004 then that would make:

 "what did not happen on that date, to now make that date not interesting."

I think I have given you my best shot.

So, the categories that have been eliminated, I think you said are:
music
people
aviation
space
fatal deaths

and now daily events related to the sun.
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Your list of eliminated events is incorrect.
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fatal deaths?



Is English as a language critical to the solution? Except as the language we are using in common here? Perhaps an idiom which would have little if any meaning in another language?
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No. There is no name associated with the answer. Not a single name.

It is not a mathematical or otherwise related puzzle.

It has nothing to do with astral, planetary, astronomical or astrological (for that matter) positions....

It also has nothing to do with positions or meteor, comets, asteroids or other falling or rising objects,,,,

It is not weather related unless the underlying event was caused by it, but this would be mere coincidental.

Not music.

But is is not aviation, so remove fatal air plane crashes.

............those appear to be the categories eliminated.
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But is is not aviation, so remove fatal air plane crashes.

I did not say that. jerry saw that too...


Is English as a language critical to the solution? Except as the language we are using in common here? Perhaps an idiom which would have little if any meaning in another language?
No, the place where this happens happens to be English speaking (US & UK, either way)

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How you doing?

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English as a language as part of the solution is misleading. If the location could encompass US or UK, it is either a very broad area, which would include a multitude of languages, or a specific one, concerning sovereignty, not necessarily geographic.

'Notable' could also mean 'not able'.

(Could also be 'No Table', I suppose.)
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It is notable as you would understand it, not no table or not able...

It is not misleading. As much as you would find many nationalities on here, it is governed by English language ...

Maybe you need to think of the 'where' less of as a geographical region...?
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by:TommySzalapski
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The Internet? Can't be air traffic control.
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The internet.
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by:Daydreams
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Could it be about one of the two new certifications at EE? This web site is in English, around the world. The accumulation of points for an Ace or Prodigy (new certs) would have been a non event back then, but that day now could be celebrated with the achievement of those certifications now or in the future. Certifications are "notable"; perhaps about the topic area of Lotus "notes"?
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by:TommySzalapski
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So October 12 2004 is the first day someone didn't get awarded a rank that didn't exist then otherwise he would have?

The non-event for October 12 could be removed by removing the new ranks or changing the points.... It seems to fit except I don't see where 'fatal' fits in.
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by:captain
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Totally unconnected to EE Dd, but everyone on here will know the place where the noun of notable makes a difference.

Interestingly enough, the underlying event and the where and what have all been mentioned here at some point, just not connected in context.
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I think you said the answer could be found using Google and Wikipedia.
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As you know, I stumbled onto the fact that October 12, 2004 was a rare date indeed, since no sunspots appeared that day, a very rare non occurance. But, wrong answer.
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I think you said it had nothing to do with the date itself.

Is October 12, 2004 as non interesting as October 9th, 2004 or June 5th, 2005?
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Hint to those with more brain power than me. I think the warm trail was around the time when Tommy (?) said it was the last date of a fatal air crash and I think it was pointed out that airplanes were not involved.

So, maybe October 12, 2004 was the last date, that some sort of death did happen, or did not happen.

However, I have previously asked if the event was "expected to happen on the 12th" and I think the answer was no.