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Windows 98 Settings reset on every reboot

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My problem is when i make a change in windows and after restarting the computer my changes are lost.
I have a cnc controller with windows 98se on it. (i have an internet connection)

I found the problem when i wanted to turn on file sharing. I turned it on and it told me i had to reboot and i did and then when windows was loaded file sharing was still turned off.
Then i tried changing the workgroup name because it was different from my other computers on the network and that did the same thing, once rebooted the workgroup name was back to the name it was originally.
I also change the default page to be loaded to www.google.ca in internet options and that also was restored to the original value.

If i make a file like test.txt it stays when rebooting.

I have replaced the cmos battery.

Where do i start?
I am not very familiar with windows 98.

Please help if you can.
Thanks in advance.
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by:Darr247
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Has that drive been restored from CD at some point?
Possibly you have some files with the read-only bit set that need that bit cleared.

Open a command prompt and run these 2 commands
dir /? >C:\dirlist.txt
dir %windir% /S >>C:\dirlist.txt

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then copy the C:\dirlist.txt file to a USB stick (98se was the first version to have USB support built in) or floppy disk, and post it here using the Attach File command below the Post a Comment box.

Note that after browsing to and selecting the file you want to attach, then clicking Open, you still have to use the Attach button when it re-appears or the file will not actually be uploaded.
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by:web_tracker
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Check what applications you have installed on the windows 98 computer, you may have a application that automatically restores the computer to a default setup. Check for an application like "Windows Steady State"  this application we undo changes made to a computer upon reboot.
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by:bguenther
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I dont know the history of this computer. So i dont know if it has been restored.
Where ever the machine came from could have done it on purpose so that the user of the machine could not mess it up as easily. Restart and the settings are back to what the admin set it to. Seems like a good idea (for them lol)

Thanks guys i will check that today when i go back to that location again. Then i will post back.
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by:bguenther
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I have attached the file.
I cant see that there is any software setup on here that would cause it to freeze the state of windows.
DIRLIST.TXT
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by:Darr247
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OK...  I knew there used to be a command to show the attributes, but the /V switch is no longer valid (wasn't in XP's cmd.exe, either), and that was the one I couldn't remember.

Please run
dir %windir% /S /V >C:\attribs.txt

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and attach the resulting attribs.txt file.
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by:web_tracker
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I am wondering if the TWEAKUI has settings that can freeze the state of windows. I don't think the program deep freeze was windows 98 compatible, but you can check to see if this application was installed.
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by:bguenther
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Darr247,
I will run that today and post back,

web_tracker,
No it is not installed.
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by:bguenther
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Hi,

I have attached the new file. let me know what you think.

Thanks
ATTRIBS.TXT
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by:Darr247
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Try setting the Date to the correct year.
It might not make any difference; nor should it hurt anything.
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by:bguenther
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Ok i will do that, i was pretty sure i had done so when i replaced the cmos battery. Anything other suggestions?
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by:Darr247
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Try enabling separate user profiles... there is no Profiles subdir, so it looks like they're disabled.

In Control Panel, double-click Passwords, then click the User Profiles tab.
Click Users can customize their preferences and desktop settings.
Check all the options there, OK your way out, then reboot.
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Go to http://www.filehippo.com/download_hijackthis/ and click on the green icon on the upper right corner to download the latest version of hijackthis. Then run the application to install it.  Open the application the click on the button "none of the abobe, just start the program". Then you want to click on the button: "config..." Click on "misc tools", then finally click on "Generate StartupList log" (do not check any of the 2 boxes beside this item). Once you generated a startup list. Post it here. So we can analyze the startup items.
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by:bguenther
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I tried to download hijackthis and install but when i install it just say "A required DLL file MSVBVM60.dll was not found"

i Tried enabling separate user profiles but on restart the settings were back to default.

Any other ideas?
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you can get the file from here: http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msvbvm60
Download the zip file and follow the directions on the page where to unzip the file to.
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hijackthis is supposed to be compatible with all versions of windows from 95 and higher. But I guess if your os is missing dll files it may be difficult to install. I am sure once I can get an idea of the items that are starting up when windows starts up I may be able rule out which application is causing the system to reset itself and therfore undoing the changes you make. It may even be a virus, but I some what doubt it. I have a strong suspicion that it may be related to the TWEAKUI application. Can you check which applications are installed and anything you are not sure of list it in here.
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by:Darr247
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I would not download runtimes from other sources when they're available from microsoft.
Here's the Visual Basic 6 distributables http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192461
And the newest service pack for them http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24417

Possibly these are the newest http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290887 too, but Win98 is not mentioned on that page.


TweakUI *is* on that machine... it's in the %windir%\CABS\POWERTOY folder.
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you are definely correct, it is ALWAYS better to download files from Microsoft if they are available. I did not realize the files that were missing were part of the runtimes software package. Thats why you are an "ACE" and I am only a wizzard. Yes I remember the tweakui is part of the powertoy application. I remember you could do a lot of tweaking with that application. It is possible there is some type of setting in there that you can restore your computer to the way it was previously when you rebooted the computer. But I am not positive unless we can see the applications that are running in the background.
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by:bguenther
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I will try to get some screen shots of whats all running on there so i can post them.
I hope to get there again tomorrow if not then on monday i will get there again and the take some.

Thanks to both of you.
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by:bguenther
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Sorry for my very much late reply,

I took a copy of the hard drive so i can afford to mess with it,
I took it home and stuck it in another really old computer that i have here and it boots up and is trying to install all the new hardware that it is surrounding it. (I know this is not recommended)

After it has installed some or possibly all of the new hardware it asks to reboot and then you do and it does the process all over again so it is not keeping what it just installed.

So i am pretty much convinced that it is not a virus or a setting that anybody made on purpose i think windows 98 is having an issue.

Can it be fixed?
Share your thoughts
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by:Darr247
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As long as you've made a backup of what you have, I'd try a clean install.
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by:bguenther
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The problem is getting the software back on there and the settings that are needed to run the cnc machine otherwise i would do that.
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Please give us a list of all the applications that are installed. Unfortuantely windows 98 does not have a system restore, like windows xp does. So it is harder to tweak the settings and undo what was done.  Or maybe you can give a list of applications that are running in the background.
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by:bguenther
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Can't boot this one up far enough to have a look and not sure when i will get back to the machine again.

Well i think i give up.

Thanks for trying to help everyone, very much appreciated.
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Ok so i finally figured it out. It was a feature built into the Phoenix software used to control the cnc that this computer is attached to. I has a feature built into it that upon each restart it restores the backup settings.

I deleted the backup and then it could not restore so it created a new back up and away we go! What a relief.
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by:Darr247
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What brand CNC is it, by the way?
(just for more possible search-term hits in the solution database.)
Thanks!
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by:bguenther
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It is a Messer control with hypertherm plasma, with version 3 of the phoenix software.
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All other solutions did not provide an answer.
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