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Dell Dimension 5150 SLOW boot up/down after clean WinXP SP2 reinstall

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After a clean WinXP SP2 reinstall the Dell DImension 5150 is booting up/down VERY slow (4-5 minutes) BUT runs fine once booted !

** This slow boot up/down does no arise until AFTER a video driver is installed. This sympton prevails after I do a 'device uninstall' on the video device.

I did 2nd clean WinXP reinstall and installed a PCI-X add in video card. Again boot up/down speed is fine until I install the drivers for this card. After driver install I get the same slow boot up/down same results ! ... Again, once the bootup process is complete system runs fine.

HELP !
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by:Thomas Grassi
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Boot up safe mode see what happens

run msconfig then goto services tab hide all microsoft services disable all others.
goto startup tab and disable all

restart see what happens

Which antivirus program do you have installed. they slow down startup process due to scanning everything again.
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by:rindi
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First of all make sure you have installed all the newest PC's drivers from the Dell site. Start with the chipset drivers and reboot after having installed that. After that you can install the other drivers, including the video card drivers. When that is done make sure you install SP3, and after that the rest of the Windows updates.
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Same results in safe mode . Disabled startup items and non MS services at startup. No change.

The only thing that has been installed after the WinXP reinstall is a USB (chipset) driver that's critical to USB operation. Boot up/down is fine after this install. Next thing I do is a video DRIVER install (either on board or PCI-X add on card). This video driver install causes the problem.

No possible virus issues.. no internet connection. Again system runs fine. It's just the terribly slow boot up/down (4-5 minutes)
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by:bushman89
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On one pass of complete, clean reinstall I did as Rindi suggests above - Everything, (including SP3) except the video driver. Boot time is fine... Lastly installed the video driver and same BAD result...

Have installed latest greatest BIOS (A07)

Has anyone seen this behavior (VERY SLOW boot up/down but system behavior fine)?
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by:Thomas Grassi
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Have you run system diags?

How much memory you have in the computer?

See what system diags reports.
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by:bushman89
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No Sys diags yet. 1GB memory.

Another observation in 'Task Manager' - CPU usage a constant 40-50% with no programs active. Shows 18 processes but none of the 18 shows this usage. ('Show all processes' is checked)

Is there a way to identify an active process that the task manager does not display ?
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by:Thomas Grassi
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run tasklist  from command prompt

Examples:
 TASKLIST
 TASKLIST /M
 TASKLIST /V
 TASKLIST /SVC
 TASKLIST /M wbem*
 TASKLIST /S system /FO LIST
 TASKLIST /S system /U domain\username /FO CSV /NH
 TASKLIST /S system /U username /P password /FO TABLE /NH
 TASKLIST /FI "USERNAME ne NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM" /FI "STATUS eq running"

What antivirus programming is running?
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by:bushman89
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I believe Tasklist is on the XP Pro version only (?)  No antivirus installed. No programs have been installed. XP reinstall and Dell driver installs only. No internet connection.

Setup is a simple as it gets .
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Ran some diags. All pass. Again this machine runs great after it gets pass the 4-5 minute boot up !
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by:ScottCha
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Just for grins try adding an additional gig of memory.  It should cut down on the disk thrashing and speed up the boot process.

It's really weird that any video driver added seems to cause the issue.

You might try an older version of the driver(s) to see what happens.  Sometimes new drivers are buggier than the older ones.
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by:Thomas Grassi
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Well this is an older computer

Only 1 GB ram the hard drive is how old?

Many things from the hardware side can slow down the startup process.

Only a faster machine can help this.

How long did it boot before? What changed on the system?

Why did you do a fresh install?

How often do you boot up?

We never shutdown only to apply updates.

Which version of XP is this?
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by:bushman89
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Same symptons occur with 2 different devices-integrated (845G device) and a PCI-X card.

CORRECTION - In the initial I said .... " This sympton prevails after I do a 'device uninstall' on the video device.""

Not true ...

If i disable the used video device (Device Manager) the 40+ % CPU usage goes to near 0% AND the slow boot problem goes away ...

This is a new one for me  .... (-:
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Trgrass - Thanks for the help ....  Bad Hard Drive prompted the reinstall (so new there).

Pentium 4 with 1GB ram, WinXP Home .... Plenty of horse power for a system with NO app's running wouldn't you say ?

Slow boot wasn't an issue before HD went bad (per my customer) ...
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by:ScottCha
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Not necessarily.  A computer will take longer to boot up with only 1 Gig of RAM.  If you bump it up to 2 you should see a big speed increase.

Give it a try and see what happens.
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OK .. But I've worked on ALOT of XP machines with less memory and have never seen such a slow boot up/down
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by:Thomas Grassi
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If your intregated video adapter is bad then you will need to find a pci video card that will support your computer.

Sounds like the PCIx video card you have also has issues?

Like I said above only 1 GB of ram?? not enough
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by:nobus
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since you relate it to the video driver - check what drivers slimdriver comes up with :
https://www.slimwareutilities.com/slimdrivers.php
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Now USB ports are starting to act strange. Some quit working. When inserting memory stick in front panel USBport the system hangs .   With this and the unprecedented SLOW boot down/up times (measured 7-10 minutes) I am going to give up on this one and conclude 'marginal MB' issues.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions
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Yes.  It looks like the MB is going.  It's probably not worth replacing the MB.  I'd suggest just purchasing a new computer.
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Thats strange

You ran system diags right? I thought you said it did not find any issues?

Agree time for a new computer.
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maybe you've gor bad capacitors :  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?p=222237
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Simply a typo ... Did not want to award myself points
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Confirmed bad MotherBoard ...
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