HDMI TV question

Hi- I have a TV with only HDMI ports. It's a bit of a new technology to me. Two questions here:

1. When I watch TV through my satellite dish, the audio signal goes to my amp(rca inputs) because of the analog adaptor they included with the TV. But when I go to Netflix, the sound comes from the TV speakers, which are sometimes not loud enough. If I buy this: http://tinyurl.com/on8wekf , I think I can go to that HDMI port using my tv input, open netflix and the signal will go out to my amp. But it bothers me that they are called inputs. Am I correct in my thinking? It is a Viera 51" HDTV, if that helps.

2. It has one port labelled PC. I haven't tried it yet, if I plug my laptop's HDMI into that port, will the TV just act like a big monitor?

Thanks!
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HegelstadCommented:
1: What is your netflix source? Does your amp have other inputs than the RCA, like coaxial or optical?

2: If it is an HDMI input, it is probably just a label, it'd would show the same picture as if you put the signal from the computer in any of the other HDMI ports.
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MereteCommented:
You mean it is a Panasonic?
You are using the rca audio out from the TV on the rear is that right connected to your AMP
Sounds like you have connected the audio rca out from the set top box to the amp.
And the set top box  video rca out to the TV.
When I watch TV through my satellite dish, the audio signal goes to my amp(rca inputs)
Connect the Cable TV set top box to the TV  video rca in and audio rca in,
both cables send the entire signal video and audio to the TV,
TV is now the main host
then using  another rca cable with just  L and R audio out  from the TV to the AMP, what ever you play on the TV is now in the AMP
 
 anything you play on the TV should send through to the AMP as the TV is the HOST!!!
You should see 8 rca sockets on the rear of the TV, 3 for input including video and audio left and right and 3 for output including video and left and right audio use just the RCA audio out to AMP
Viera Cast is ethernet enabled network so the sound should be going in to the TV from the internet.
If you dont have enough rca outputs then this little box may help but you only need one for audio out
I found a picture of the rear of your TV here>
panasonic_viera_tc_p50gt25_50_inch_1080p
It looks similar to my TV AWA 68CM TV and has several rca inputs and outputs.

I use this one it is a 3 way audio video switch box
the out put is connected to my AMP keeping that in mind
This enables me to connect my PC  audio and any other devices that are external , then using the center~> switch it to the left device or right device so the sound comes through  to my AMP.
RCA is a dying hardware and HDMI is the new fad.
HDMI includes audio, but it doesn't convert standard definition video to high-definition video.
As I see it adding this ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI + Audio | Audio Extractor | Converter (SPDIF + RCA L/R) to your AMP you only need the audio part
but do you have an input available on the rear your AMP?
If your TV is the HOST to everything you'd only only need one rca audio left and right out to the AMP!!
Mine is a Panasonic AMP :)
I use the RCA socket ~>CD player in. If that helps.
There is many rca inputs you can use the different inputs.
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mel200Author Commented:
Hi- Merete, There are no rca outputs at all on the tv. I'm attaching images. The green adaptor plug is the only thing that came with rca plugs. But maybe I could replug it better, not sure. Sorry the photos are  a little blurry but they do show the plugs. On the back are ethernet, digital audio, coaxial and a PC input.(actually, I wouldn't be using that, I would plug DHMI to HDMI from the laptop). On the side, 4 HDMI inputs and a spot for my wireless card.


Hegelstad, I can get to netflix from any input, just by pressing the netflix button on the remote. I pick it up through the wireless.

Thanks for your help! I still need to know if possible if that http://tinyurl.com/on8wekf  box will work? Thanks again.
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MereteCommented:
Right, thanks for that,
makes sense now.
what is this set top box .Cable TV ?
and how do you have that connected to the TV and the AMP?
The Netflix is inside the Tv anyway from wireless, so it is not hardware related like a DVD/CD player so you need to get everything coming in to the TV to the AMP

Kinda explains it then,at least my TV has the rca and hdmi
Is your set top box audio going straight to the amp not the TV?
Yes!!
This device on Amazon your looking at looks as if it could do the job of sending all and any audio from the TV to the AMP so your quandarry is to get the set box audio to the TV as well
It says
One HDMI Input << >>to One HDMI Output,  including>>One SPDIF/TOSLINK Audio Output ~~>>and One RCA R/L Stereo Audio Output<< this is the one you need
What you need is hdmi that will convert to RCA just for the audio, for a couple of dollars well worth a try.
I have lots of cables in my TV cabnet for various testings lol.
here's a couple of ideas. just use a cable
http://compare.ebay.com.au/like/190685552777?ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&cbt=y&_lwgsi=y&lpid=45&item_id=190685552777

Images only hdmi to rca

http://www.9mart.com/products/HDMI-Male-to-5-RCA-RGB-Audio-Video-AV-Component-Cables.html

http://www.cablechick.com.au/cables/2-port-1x-hdmi-1x-dvi-d-input-to-hdmi-output-switch-box-with-audio-pass-through.html
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mel200Author Commented:
ok thanks! Give me a day to get my old body under the TV to see how I have it plugged, and I'll confirm what you probably already know. :)
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MereteCommented:
Use gold plated for extra shielding mel200
it's not real gold lol
I have joiners female joiners if you cant get the rca long enough.
yes test and try with what you have and let me know, update and ask before buying, I'll help where I can.
Believe me your head would hurt  if you could see what i have hooked together here so I can get sound out through my Panasonic AMP as well.

Cheers
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
1. When I watch TV through my satellite dish, the audio signal goes to my amp(rca inputs) because of the analog adaptor they included with the TV. But when I go to Netflix, the sound comes from the TV speakers, which are sometimes not loud enough. If I buy this: http://tinyurl.com/on8wekf , I think I can go to that HDMI port using my tv input, open netflix and the signal will go out to my amp. But it bothers me that they are called inputs. Am I correct in my thinking? It is a Viera 51" HDTV, if that helps.

I don't think so.   If I understand your setup correctly, this is a "Smart" TV that includes the ability to stream Netflix via the Ethernet (or wireless)  input ... is that correct?

If so, whether or not you can get higher-quality sound depends on whether or not Netflix sound is routed through the digital sound output on the back panel -- and of course whether your amp has a matching digital input.    


2. It has one port labelled PC. I haven't tried it yet, if I plug my laptop's HDMI into that port, will the TV just act like a big monitor?

The PC input is simply a VGA input -- with no sound.   You need to also plug in the sound from the PC, either to the TV or to your amp.    You can't plug you HDMI input to that port :-)

I'd get a digital cable and connect the digital sound output to your amplifier, as long as it has a digital input.
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mel200Author Commented:
OK, so the adapter out of the TV has five RCA plugs. three of them are inputs for video and audio left and right, they come in from my satellite box. Two of them are audio out. They go out to the amp.

It works for regular TV(Satellite), but when I go to Netflix it just plays on the TV speakers.

So I hear you- I need to use the digital output on the TV into my amp if it has a digital input.

-ON the laptop, if I plug my laptop HDMI into an HDMI on the TV, will that then works as a monitor, with sound? Thanks very much.
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mel200Author Commented:
The amp has a section that says DIGITAL. Its inputs say: Optical, DTV, DVD. I don't think any of those are sound, right?
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mel200Author Commented:
I'll upload photos of the digital inputs and the output on my TV, but need to charge my camera battery first.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Yes, if you plug your laptop's HDMI connection into the TV, it will act as a big monitor :-)

Note you could do that, and plug your laptop's sound into the amp; and select that as the playback device for audio -- and then stream Netflix from your laptop :-)
... or you can select HDMI as the playback device for audio and the single HDMI cable is all you'll need, but the sound will be from the TV's speakers.
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mel200Author Commented:
Ok, thanks- that's really helpful. As soon as I can I'll upload those pictures so you can tell me if my amp will accept digital sound.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
It certainly sounds like your amp has digital sound inputs ... "...  Its inputs say: Optical, DTV, DVD ..."  =>  the question is whether the inputs are coax or optical ... is the "Optical" a label, or is there a separate Optical input (the connection is different) and coax inputs for DTV and DVD?     ... or are the DTV and DVD inputs optical inputs?
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mel200Author Commented:
That's where I think I'll have to send a photo, I'm not sure. Man I feel old, I used to have all this stuff completely cased.
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mel200Author Commented:
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Yes, you have three digital sound inputs:  two optical inputs (CD and DTV) and one coax input (DVD).    The optical cable from Amazon is exactly what you need.

Note that it's not an absolute that your TV will provide sound output from all sources -- the outputs may only be from the tuner.   But unless it's clearly described in the manual, the only way to know will be to give it a try.
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mel200Author Commented:
Thanks, everyone! garycase had the answer that actually solved my problem, explaining how the Netflix sound may be routed through the digital audio output.
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mel200Author Commented:
Hi, Just wanted everyone to know that the digital audio cable out of the TV into my amp worked! Netflix through the amp- perfect. Thanks!
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MereteCommented:
That's pretty interesting, I'm still old school and have just started testing with the digital hdmi, like with my rasberry pi I bought a hdmi cableand plugged that in to my digital TV and discover that audio is included thus removing the need for the 3 rca cables
Interesting that netflix uses only digital  out but makes sense now. It's the new digital age I suppose.
Tivo is the same
Premiere_HDMIThanks for sharing mel200
And thanks to Garycase
I'm always a bit leary buying cables incase it doesnt work.
I have a ton of cables
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mel200Author Commented:
Good to know- I'm just catching up to the new technologies in TV and audio.
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mel200Author Commented:
Unfortunately when we tried it, if turned up loud enough, there's a distinct echo. I know this is closed, I will open a new question.
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MereteCommented:
Awe!!!
are you using a Microphone?
Maybe you should undo the accept here as it didnt work, these accepts are what members look to to find solutions.
GaryCase is a CV and can do this.

Remember the more details on your setup the better
Ok look forward to helping you and see if this can be resolved
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mel200Author Commented:
garycase, do you want to do that, and I will delete the new question I posted?

new question here..
 I have a Panasoni Viera Smart TV. I go out the digital output into a digital input on my Yamaha HTR-6040 amp/receiver. I turn to that input when I have Netflix on the TV, wanting to have better sound than the TV sound. But there's an echo, even with the TV muted. (no mic) Thanks!
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Done, as requested.    However, I think the solution actually DID work -- but you have an input set incorrectly on your amplifier, or possibly a setting in the TV that is sending both the analog (2-channel) and digital sound out the optical path, with a very tiny delay between the two (generating the echo).

Do you get any echo if you are playing back a broadcast signal via the digital output?
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mel200Author Commented:
Hmm..honestly, I don't know how to check that.  I would have to go satellite receiver to amp input, and I don't have a digital output on the  satellite receiver.

I will look into the audio menu and see if I can figure out what gets routed there.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
A digital output from the sat receiver wouldn't test this anyway.

So ... you apparently don't have any RF inputs to the TV (so can't use its tuner to check this).    Are there any other streaming features on the TV besides Netflix?  (e.g. Amazon)    If so, try one of those and see if you still get the echo.

This can be a very tricky issue to resolve, but is almost certainly either a settings issue or a cable quality issue with the optical cable.    If possible, try another cable.
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mel200Author Commented:
ok, thanks for the tips, I bought this cable new, but will test settings. Thanks!
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MereteCommented:
I found this, so we have some schematics Yamaha HTR-6040 amp/receiver
HTR-6040http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/htr/htr-6040/?mode=model
So you have a satellite receiver connected to the TV? and how does sound get back from the TV to the AMP?
You have Yamaha HTR-6040 amp/receiver connected to the TV
And the TV is Panasonic Viera Smart TV size?

a distinct echo could be caused by the AMP's settings, look in your remote control do you have a function menue?
Try disconnecting the satellite receiver as that may cause feedback
Where you have things connected is the main area to determine if the right sockets are used, if the AMP supports these new digital signals as your AMP is discontinued.
you watch Netflix on your TV  the TV is connected to the internet?
How?
Some DRM programs block the usage a bit if the right connections are not met.
Something like that.
http://www.panasonic.com/promos/learn/smart-viera/
Taking off the hardware and testing with just the TV is a start
then add the AMP without the Satellite receiver
to determine if the feedback echo noise is the AMP humming as it's connected by a digital cable right? or the satellite receiver is effecting things.
You need grounding?
Could be the age of the AMP
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mel200Author Commented:
These are excellent questions! A little later today I will check the connections to make sure I  give you accurate answers. Thanks!
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Agree this is likely a setting in the amp.   But if you don't find anything there, it would still be a good idea to try a different cable [even new cables can have issues if there are any flaws in the interconnects].     A new cable is very inexpensive at Monoprice:  http://www.monoprice.com/Category?fq=MultiCategoryId:10229&c_id=102&fq=MultiMainCategoryId:102&searchtype=multicategoryid
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mel200Author Commented:
Please forgive the delay, I've been unable to do the testing. Hopefully this weekend.
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mel200Author Commented:
Again, forgive the delay, I will check this all out ASAP.
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mel200Author Commented:
I unplugged the satellite from the amp and still had the same echo. I think it's become a moot point because I found a way to make the TV much louder. I think I should go back and just give the points out as I originally did, and thank you for your help.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Echo's can indeed be very difficult to trace ... they can be a cable issue; a grounding issue; or even a simple setting issue [e.g. check the amp to be sure it doesn't have a reverberation setting].    But it sounds like you've found an acceptable setup anyway, so it's not a bad idea to just close the question and start enjoying your TV :-)
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mel200Author Commented:
Thanks for all your hard work and all the information I received on this question!
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