What are the reasons for StackOverflow failure?

I want to hear different views on what are the reasons for SO(StackOverflow) failures?


SO,  was created to mimic EE and be a competition for it but in my view it has failed "miserably" so far.

Here are the reasons I have  found so far:

1: Extremely hostile environment for a new user. Most of the new user's questions will stuck  with downvotes and new user can even get banned by asking a "Valid" question.

2: SO's dysfunctional voting system encourages voting wars and competition groups who vote against each other no matter how is an answer valid.

I want to know  your point of view about SO.

Also are you aware of any other websites(I.T) which can come close to the quality of  EE.
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TommySzalapskiCommented:
SO has a goal to be completely objective so if a 'valid' question is a subjective question, it will get deleted. You can't ask opinion questions there. (You can here!)
Yes, the politics of voting wars can get messy. In general, there is a lot of good content there, but it can take some time to get through the jungle.

Also are you aware of any other websites(I.T) which can come close to the quality of  EE.
There are none, because this is the only one I am on! Oh wait, this isn't the lounge...
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
I hear you say that there are two things that you don't like.  I don't see how that defines them as failing.  I personally don't go there unless Google takes me there.
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unknown_routineAuthor Commented:
The number of new users who run away from S.O because of it's hostile behavior is gigantic.

I call this a big failure. Because users are true steam and power of a website.
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
You can call it want you want.  They don't seem to be going out of business.
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TommySzalapskiCommented:
Perhaps they don't want lots of new users. In all honesty, new users can clutter a forum by posting questions that have been answered many times already. We don't mind that here, because it's easy points for us.

Experts Exchange has done a very good job of building a sense of community. Experts from here have developed friendships, met in real life, gotten jobs for each other, etc. We tend to be very forgiving of new users who do silly things and coach them instead of attacking them (unless they wander into the lounge, then they get attacked - which you may have noticed).

I don't think SO has that same sense of community. I think the fact that you have to pay or answer questions to be a full member here has really helped that community feeling. People automatically have somewhat of a vested interest since they have given something (time or money) to contribute before they can even post a new question. SO does not do that so there seems to be a lot more anarchy. They don't seem to have the high quality moderator support either that we have here to keep things from getting out of hand.
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unknown_routineAuthor Commented:
We tend to be very forgiving of new users who do silly things and coach them instead of attacking them

People sholud not underestimate the above. This is a huge priviledge over S.O.


They don't seem to have the high quality moderator support either that we have here to keep things from getting out of hand.

They indeed do have a "moderator support" . But in S.O moderator support traslates to protecting their friends and bashing others who disagree with them.
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COBOLdinosaurCommented:
S.O. continues to survive for 4 reasons.

They have investors with deep pockets who continue to eat the finanacial loss.
They have a "special relationship" with Google foster by the cross-polination of staff.
They benefited from EE screwing up big time and alienating a lot of people.
They benefit from all the SO links that get post to their crap content by Google Monkeys on EE
The first will eventually dry up. There is nothing we can do about the second because evil seeks out evil. The third will take some time for redemption to kick in. The final one is now being dealt with by the new corp of Topic Advisors and IMO anyone who post a link to SO should get suspended.

Cd&
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TommySzalapskiCommented:
The first will eventually dry up.
At which point they will cry to their buddies at Google who will then take ownership of the domain and compound issue 2.
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Eric AKA NetminderCommented:
they will cry to their buddies at Google who will then take ownership of the domain

and then, two to three years later, will shut it down like so many of their other acquired ventures...
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
Interesting.  Are you guys aware that StackOverflow is one of 106 Q&A sites owned and run by StackExchange?  And if Q&A sites disappeared just because they had problems, Experts-Exchange would have been gone years ago.
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mbizupCommented:
<< point of view about SO. >>

As an Expert, my preference and commitment is to EE for a multitude of reasons -- by a long shot.

However as a professional, looking for fast solutions specifically to Web Development questions, my answers almost invariably come from SO.  I have never actually posted a question there, but wind up there from my own searches and also suggestions posted by Experts in questions on EE.

The response time to my Web Development questions on EE has generally not been very fast, and I'm actively independently searching and trying solutions while my questions are posted here.  Despite major improvements in EE's search feature, I still find Google to be faster and more intuitive... and Google searches tend to lead me to solutions at SO.

Further, when Experts post to my Web Dev questions, it is often in the form of links to SO, or links to questions at other forums whose comments contain links to SO.  So even EE questions directly or indirectly take me to SO.

What keeps me posting questions at EE is the friendly, targeted, personalized follow-up I get when it is needed.

The initiatives Cd& mentioned in the Topic Advisor program will eventually lead to more original content, and EE's search capabilities are improving.  But while my preference and time commitment are with EE, SO is undeniably a very valuable resource to me at this time.
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unknown_routineAuthor Commented:
The final one is now being dealt with by the new corp of Topic Advisors and IMO anyone who post a link to SO should get suspended.


When is this go to be in effect?
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unknown_routineAuthor Commented:
@mbizup

A computer Q/A websites is to be for everyone who needs knowlege and not only for power users.

The question is how much each I.T Website is befecial to a typical person who ask questions.

The amount of hostility to the new users in S.O is unimaginable. Yes S.O has some top contributors but in my opnion it still fails to address the average user.

I am a S.O member and sometimes I answer some questions there. My S.O Avatar is Experts_Exchange  Icon :)

I get downvote for my answers only because in my S.O profile  I have  mentioned I prefer EE over S.O  :)


Well I can't care less about downvotes.  S.O so called repuation is "Worlthess" anyway.

I personally know some people who ran away from S.O after a bad experience as a new user.
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mbizupCommented:
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Avatar is Experts_Exchange  Icon
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That is priceless....  :-)

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When is this go to be in effect?
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Apart from Cd&'s suspension idea, it is already in effect.  We're making an organized effort to delete blind/unsupported links and get experts who post comments like that to include supporting original content.... to steer responses away from the style used in one of my last posted technical questions (which for the record is the ONLY 'B' grade I have ever awarded on EE):

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Languages/.NET/Visual_Basic.NET/Q_28023626.html
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COBOLdinosaurCommented:
When is this go to be in effect?

The Topic Advisors have been mandate to clean upthe links based on the guidelines published in the last EE newsletter, and we are actively removing links to Stack and other links that are harmful to EE quality.

Cd&
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unknown_routineAuthor Commented:
Thanks all for your comments. Very interesting pointers.
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