Most recommended Hard Drive for small NAS

Hi, what do you think is the best kind of drive for a small NAS Server?

I have a 1 drive QNAP TS-110 Turbo NAS: [URL="http://www.qnap.com/en/index.php?lang=en&sn=822&c=1655&sc=1656&t=1658&n=3346&g=4&gc=18"]http://www.qnap.com/en/index.php?lang=en&sn=822&c=1655&sc=1656&t=1658&n=3346&g=4&gc=18[/URL]

I was thinking on this 2 kinds of drives, both are compatible with my NAS:
- 2TB WD BLACK
- 2TB WD RED
[URL="http://wd.com/en/products/internal/desktop/"]http://wd.com/en/products/internal/desktop/[/URL]

Money is of no concern, i only need one drive and i want to use it on the NAS which will be used to store all my WORK FILES and ASSETS (3D Library, textures, etc). My workstation and my 2 render nodes will access those files on the NAS to work from and render. They will not be stored locally in each computer. (Or perhaps maybe just the current project will be on the workstation...)

The WD RED specifies that it is made for a NAS, and is better for RAID, but in my case i will not use RAID (since is just a one drive NAS as i mentioned), so that is why i want to know your opinion.

Which of this HDDs do you will be better for performance and reliability on this NAS and my "Work Scenario" ?

I work with 3ds Max, Vray, Photoshop, Autocad

Note: I will have an 2TB External HDD backing up this NAS for security...

Thanks for your advice.
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Daniel HelgenbergerCommented:
If money is of no concern, always go for enterprise grade hard drives. Yours are desktop products. Good SATA drives we use our RAID enclosures are:

http://www.hgst.com/enterprise-storage (Hitachi UltraStar, now WD)

and Seagate Capacity Series,
http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/enterprise-hard-drives/hdd/enterprise-capacity-3-5-hdd/
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unrinoceronteAuthor Commented:
Hi thanks HELGE000, please note that i mentioned that in my QNAP NAS i can not have a RAID configuration, since it is only for One HDD....

Having these in mind, does it still makes sense to buy ENTREPRISE GRADE HDDs instead of the 2 HDD (WD Black or RED)  I mentioned?

If so, which of the Western Digital Enterprise Grade HDD would you recommend, but that is not ver expensive, i way less than $200 for 2TB...

What will be the Disadvantage if i use the BLACK or RED versus an ENTERPRISE?

And again, as for my original qquestion, what will be better? a RED or a BLACK Western digital drive for my NAS and Work scenario?
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Daniel HelgenbergerCommented:
I only mentioned RIAD because we have them in your RAID enclosures. It works perfectly well as single drive.
If you want your data safer, go for enterprise grade. These can fail as well of course, but have a much longer MTBF as desktop grade HDD's; you can see this at the warranty WD is offering (2, 3, 5yr). If you want a decision from the two you mentioned, go for the BLACK.

The QNAP site recommends the HUS724020ALA640 (Ultrastar 7K4000), I would go for this (we have them, too).

The performance will not matter; GbE access will be the limiting factor. If you have many small files, go for a 10k or 15k rpm drive or even a SSD.

Always keep a working backup with one disk.
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unrinoceronteAuthor Commented:
Thanks Helge000. I see your point.

Can you comment on why do you think the BLACK will be better than the RED?

I have found these WD ENTERPRISE HDDs:
- WD RE 2 TB Enterprise Hard Drive
- WD RE4 2 TB Enterprise Hard Drive
- WD SE 2 TB SATA III

I will look for the Ultrastar that you mentioned...
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Daniel HelgenbergerCommented:
I did pick the Black solely because of its warranty, 5yr. Longer warranty = longer MTBF. As I said, HGST, the former Hitatchi HDD section, is part of WD now. The availability should be the same as with WD.
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unrinoceronteAuthor Commented:
Ok thanks HELGE000.

I will also have to add then that i can not care much about the WARRANTY since i do not live in the United States... (I will buy it on Amazon US bout have it delivered to my country). If the drive fails, i dont think i will mind struggling for the warranty, and send it back to the US.

I just read somewhere else that the RED drives uses intellipower, and the speed varies from 5400 to perhaps 7200... so i guess that means that it has a lower PERFORMANCE compared to the BLACK....?
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Daniel HelgenbergerCommented:
Hello,

the warranty is worldwide for WD; you should be able to claim it.

But I think I haven't made myself clear. For HDD's at least, if a vendor offers long warranty, the product has a lower mean failure rate then the product with shorter warranty.

And in my experience hard drive life time is analog compared to energy saving light bulbs. They will last a long time. But every time I switch them on costs me two days of their live time.
So you want a drive which has no fancy power saving, running only at 7200rpm and is not switched off normally but running 24/7 - this the optimization for all enterprise grade HDD's. In QNAP, disable drive auto power down therefore.
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unrinoceronteAuthor Commented:
Interesting!, thanks Helge.

Backing to my previous comment, will it be right to assume this?
I just read somewhere else that the RED drives uses intellipower, and the speed varies from 5400 to perhaps 7200... so i guess that means that it has a lower PERFORMANCE compared to the BLACK....?

Besides RELIABILITY, what do you think will be the situation regarding PERFORMANCE with the ENTERPRISE type or the RED or BLACK? being all the files stored there on the NAS, and my workstation and render nodes accessing them to work with and saving to the NAS (they will not be stored locally in each computer).

I am getting to the conclusion that in my own scenario, PERFORMANCE is more important than Reliability..... I think the RELIABILITY part i can solve it having a good External HDD for BACKing UP the NAS. But i need good performance for my day to day basis during work.... My tipical scenario will be that i will be working on my WORSTATION, and i will have 1 or 2 render nodes doing some rendering Tasks. No Animation yet...
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Daniel HelgenbergerCommented:
With a single drive/one port NAS you cannot expect magic. Performance will always be poor in comparison to a
- Real file server with
- fast storage and a
- good managed LAN switch

But, for two or three nodes you will most likely be fine. If you do only 3D rendering, this is more the case then with 2D/comping. 3D tends to be more CPU intensive with little file IO compared to 2D/comping with high IO.

My recommendation if you plan on getting more nodes in the future - buy a fast nas with RAID and multi links; or - much cheaper, but more complicated - use an old computer/workstation with a SAS Raid HBA and set this up as a (linux) file server. This way you have some headroom for expansion. Later, get a decent switch (really important, I cannot stress this point high enough, good 24Port switches start at about US$500).

As a library for storing more seldom accessed stuff this QNAP will serve you well.
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unrinoceronteAuthor Commented:
Hmm!! now i understand everything!... So my small QNAP Nas is not the kind of hardware that i should be using for my needs...

Thanks very much for specially these last comment Helge000, this is very usefull information.

I will buy a new NAS perhaps in 5 months or so and i will take your advice on that. I rather go the NAS way that an old workstation.  Smaller space and i guess smaller energy compsumption...

As for the SWITCH, i have this one, do you think is a good one (is only 8 port which i think is enough for me) ? : NETGEAR GS108NA ProSafe 8-Port Gigabit Ethernet Desktop Switch
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pgm554Commented:
Go Ultrastar.

It's got a better warranty than the WD(even though WD owns them).
2 million hr between failure and 5yr warranty vs 3 for WD or Seagate.

As for switches,Netgear makes some nice ones ,but if you require NAS then make sure it can support jumbo frames.

I'm pretty sure all the newer Netgear switches support them.
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Tony GiangrecoCommented:
This is a favorite of ours for a standard nas. it works well

WD Red 1 TB NAS Hard Drive: 3.5 Inch, SATA III, 64 MB Cache - WD10EFRX

http://www.amazon.com/WD-Red-NAS-Hard-Drive/dp/B008JJLXO6
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
First, do yourself a favor and get a 3TB or 4TB unit.    You'll ALWAYS use more storage than you think you need :-)

Second, both the WD Reds and the Seagate NAS units are excellent drives.    I see no reason for spending the extra cost for Enterprise grade units if you're not using these in a 24/7 environment that's actively exercising the drives all the time (e.g. a corporate server).

I've used both the Reds and the Seagate NAS and like them both equally well.   The Seagate NAS unit has slightly better transfer speeds, as it spins at 5900rpm vs 5400 for the WD Reds, but either is excellent.
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unrinoceronteAuthor Commented:
Thanks everybody, i have enough information to make up my mind. I will search on Amazon, compare prices regarding your recommendations, and order soon.
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