Adjustment Doesn't Copy & Paste

Win 7
PS CS5
[this isn't going to be easy for me to describe]
I'm trying to modify a photo in which the original image repeats in a selected part of the original [aka "portal"].
It's kind of like taking a video of a living room with a TV in it and streaming the video to the TV so you see ever smaller images of the room with the TV...in the TV.
Does that make sense?

I have the original all set up with the necessary areas selected and properly adjusted for the visual I want.
My problem is that, for the copy that I want to paste into the "portal" I have to re-adjust the levels of a piece of the original. When I do that, and then select all but the portal and paste that copy into the portal, the last adjustment does not come across.

I use adjustment layers, if that makes any difference.

Why doesn't the last adjustment follow the copy?
Could it be that none of the adjustments follow the copy, but The last adjustment is the only one I can tell for certain?
What can I do about this?
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Al JeeAsked:
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duttcomCommented:
I think I know what you're saying. Does the copy need to have all of its layers intact in order to be useful, or could you simply use a single flattened version of the original image?

You could get the original looking exactly as you want it to appear in the copy, go the the layers palette and flatten the entire image. Select all and copy the flattened layer, then Ctrl-Z until the original layers reappear. Now paste the flattened copy (which will still be in the clipboard from when you selected and copied it before) into a new layer. Then you can do what you like with the copied image.

Obviously that doesn't answer why the adjustment layer/s didn't come across in the copy, but if it isn't necessary for the copy to have them, then why worry about them.
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Al JeeAuthor Commented:
Good point.

At least you were able to understand my rather convoluted explanation.
:-)

I would prefer to have the adjustment layers intact for fine tuning, but I may not be able to.
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duttcomCommented:
It was worth a shot!

What is the adjustment layer that doesn't come across?
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Al JeeAuthor Commented:
I'm guessing that it's all (5-6) of them.
Saturation & Levels.
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duttcomCommented:
I'm not sure how exactly you are copying the layers, but if you go to the layers palette and select all the  layers you want (including all of the adjustment layers) and then choose Duplicate Layers from the palette menu, duplicating them into the same document, does the adjustment layer still fail to copy?

To avoid confusion, create a group for the duplicated layers to go into, then after you've duplicated the layers (using the palette menu) they should all be selected and you can drag them into the new group.
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Al JeeAuthor Commented:
I'm not copying the layers.
I copying a selection that has been adjusted and pasting it into a selected area.
Apparently the adjustments do not follow.

I don't understand what good creating duplicate adjustment layers would do.
Wouldn't I just wind up with duplicate layers that act the same as the originals?

How could I link the adjustment layers to the cut & paste?
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duttcomCommented:
Ah - okay now I see what you are trying to do. I asked you to create the duplicates because I thought you were trying to copy the whole image and use that (picture of a room on a TV in the room and all that). I was trying to work out what method you were using by comparing it to one I know works.

If you want to select a only a section of adjusted image then you will need to apply the adjusment before you copy it - which is why I suggested flattening and then using the flattened version. There's no real way around that.
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duttcomCommented:
Actually, no I lie. You can make a copy merge.

Select the area you want to select (with all of the adjusment layers on) and go to Edit -> Copy Merged. That will copy exactly what is in the marquee you have selected, adjusments and all.

If it's the same section you need to select every time you might want to create a selection channel so you can select the same area every time.
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MereteCommented:
Hi  StoneG
 to help you a little by giving you a better description of your project,
Are you making an infinity mirror type of picture?
Click on his URL to see how he did it.
Droste Effect-image incursion
Droste recursive in Photoshop
Droste Effect Tutorial Photoshop CS5
The Droste effect is the effect of a picture appearing within itself, in a place where a similar picture would realistically be expected to appear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HFKVE5HqwI
Photoshop Basics: Infinite Photo
http://www.instructables.com/id/Photoshop-Basics-Infinite-Photo/
Excellent free Photo Droste Effect plugin for Adobe Pixel Bender for Photoshop CS4 or CS5, watch the images there is one of a TV lol it's brilliant
http://www.spiralforums.biz/index.php?showtopic=11133
Have you heard of Out of Bounds images?
Take a look
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Al JeeAuthor Commented:
>which is why I suggested flattening and then using the flattened version<
I suspect that your suggestion will provide me with the final solution.
It will be a few days before I have time to work with it.


>Are you making an infinity mirror type of picture?<

Something similar, but with just a couple of recursions in a limited, irregular area.
Thanks for the links.
I will look at them later.
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MereteCommented:
I had written some steps how I do it but took them out,
I don't  know what type of image you are working with
What I do  in my Coral Paintshop pro make a new image add a frame
this is the first frame as in my example,
I then just save a copy of it,
and re add it back put it beside my first, atm it's the same size
 cut out the center if it's just a frame now it's a transparent in the center
then adjust the size to half then copy it and paste it back into the base frame as a transparent then flatten it
on my copy I just make another copy paste it beside my other and reduce it's size again and copy that and paste it in as new transparent.
Like this, it only took me like 2 minutes to make or less. it's slightly off center but just as an example
 Frames
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Al JeeAuthor Commented:
Merete> Thank you for your participation.
Please read the following:

I have no problem creating an image to paste in the portal.
That's not what this thread is about.

To restate:
The adjustment layers I have created and used within the selected area [ that I want to cut & paste ] do not follow that selected area.
The selected area becomes unadjusted when I paste it.

That is the issue being addressed in this thread.
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duttcomCommented:
One final suggestion - save a copy of the original image, then in the copy, select the area you want to use in the portal. Use Image-> Crop to remove the area you don't need in the portal. Make a group of all the relevant layers. Right click on the group and duplicate the group into the original document. Now you have only the selected area and its associated adjusment layers in the original document in a group.
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MereteCommented:
@ duttcom
Yep that is exactly what I am saying as well. Even illustrated it.
@StoneG
the principal would be the same you must flatten the master first, I may not know the exact language of photoshop, the area with a dotted line around is alive,
while the dots are there you copy that area paste it on the side as a new file,
then flatten the master again so that any new areas with a dotted line disappear, then go back highlight your new file copy/paste that back onto the master as a transparent adjust where you want it to sit then flatten the master
Repeat steps
put dotted lines on /select a new area on the the master use your selection tool/ polygon, point to point tool , if the dots exceeds the area you want you may have to invert them,
that's where the different tools come in handy to get a dotted line a specific area,
then cut or copy out that segment paste it on the side as a new file, while the dots are there on the master you fill it with a colour or do other stuff,
then flatten the master add the new file as a transparent adjust it then make it part of the master flatten the master.
The adjustment layers I have created and used within the selected area
The Quick Selection Tool In Photoshop
http://www.photoshopessentials.com/basics/selections/quick-selection-tool/
8 Ways to Get the Selection You Want in Photoshop
http://designshack.net/articles/software/8-ways-to-get-the-selection-you-want-in-photoshop/
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Al JeeAuthor Commented:
Merete>
What you are saying is not making a lot of sense to me.

While you may have some understanding of image manipulation in something other than Photoshop, the only things I get from what you are posting is to flatten the selected image to keep the adjustments, which is what duttcom suggested from the beginning.
Am I wrong?

I appreciate your additional links to various methods of selecting parts of an image, but I have a firm grasp on the basic selection tools available in PS CS5 as well as some 3rd party tools for enhanced selections.
The information you continue to present does not seem to relevant to my quest.

In the next day or two I will work on duttcom's suggestion to flatten the image after adjustment and see if I can develop a workflow that works for me.
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MereteCommented:
You are correct :)
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Al JeeAuthor Commented:
Thanks for your help.
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