Mail host in Southern California

Hello,
Looking for opinions on good mail hosts in Southern California.
Thanks,
J
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Jian An LimSolutions ArchitectCommented:
giving nowadays mail hosting is everywhere, is there a particular reason it must located in southern california?

you have google mail, office 365.
then you will go down to niche solutions that might not really fit your requirement.

Anyway, if you have a bit more information, so maybe others can assist reply (as i don't see much good input we can provide if we don't understand your intention)
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Aaron TomoskySD-WAN SimplifiedCommented:
Agreed. What does the location of the mail host have any impact on the decision?
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Scott Fell, EE MVEDeveloper & EE ModeratorCommented:
I have switched most of my clients to use google apps for business at least for email.  It works with any OS or use with outlook/macmail/thunderbird.  The main reason I use it is it has the best anti spam function.  I have tried using other 3rd party anti spam suites and there is always that one person that is a spam magnet and gmail seems to just work.
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Daniel McAllisterPresident, IT4SOHO, LLCCommented:
While GMail is fine, you may find your existing registrar may provide basic email services along with your registration -- for free!

E-Mail in general (SPAM in particular) is a mess... a dinosaur leftover from the days when all of the Internet SysOps (system operators) essentially knew each other and could, to some extent, control their users.

Those days are long gone, but still today we send email around the Internet with no real "security", validation, inspection, or delivery controls other than what individual mail operators choose to use in their own private organizations.

Want proof there is a problem? There are currently 239 "common" blacklists for SPAM control... and those don't include the security vendors like Trend, Symantec, McAfee, CloudMark, or any of the others -- virtually all of whom maintain their own "private" block lists.

But add to that the huge influx of mobile devices and the customer demands that they be able to access email from anything from anywhere, and you have a huge mess.... which is why people, in general, shop for alternative mail providers.

The problem there is that, from the user perspective, email should be easy! I tell you who to send this message to, and you just do it! EASY, right? Sure, just as building a car that gets 50 MPG should be easy... and its not! (Though, if you're willing to drive a car made out of mostly plastic, you could do it! Why worry about crashes? You're not planning on crashing anyway!)

So my point is, if you're looking for new service, you might want to check with where you registered your domain. If you don't even have a domain yet, look for a registrar that includes basic mail service with your registration (which should not cost you more than $12-15 per year!) But if you're switching because your existing service is having some trouble, you might want to reconsider the idea of being patient and letting them try to fix what you see as broken.

In any case, these are the Internet Times -- and physical location of your mail service is really, totally immaterial... after all, one of the largest ESPs (Email Service Providers) in the world is Mail.RU -- which, naturally, is in Russia!

Just my thoughts... best of luck to you!

Dan
IT4SOHO
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Scott Fell, EE MVEDeveloper & EE ModeratorCommented:
>you may find your existing registrar may provide basic email services along with your registration -- for free!

I agree, but shared mail services typically have the worst spam issues and in some cases deliverability issues as well.
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Daniel McAllisterPresident, IT4SOHO, LLCCommented:
Like any other choice, that depends HEAVILY on who you choose.

But if your real concern is SPAM control, then stop trying to squeeze a dime out of a nickel and PAY for a PREMIUM service. ALL of the "general" security companies (Symantec, Trend, McAfee, etc) offer PAID MAIL SERVICES that do EXCELLENT jobs of blocking SPAM, and there are plenty of "ESP" (Email Service Providers) companies that equally do an excellent job of controlling SPAM (albeit with lots of false positives, the same as everyone else).

But if you want FREE EMAIL (or $6/year EMAIL) then you should not expect to get more than what you pay for!

There is a pizza chain who gives away vouchers for free pizza when our local sports team does well. I turned one in exactly ONCE... you get what you pay for, and that pizza was worth no more than what I paid for it! The same applies to "free services" on the Internet!

If you decide you want Gmail to host your business mail, I strongly urge you to actually READ the service contract -- especially the privacy policy! Google makes money with gmail... and not with banner ads! If you think they're hosting all that mail for free out of the goodness of their corporate hearts, you're just plain stoopid. (sic)

Still, we should all admit that we'll all have our own favorite mail providers -- the same as you likely have a favorite local ISP, and undoubtedly prefer Mac or PC over the other...

The issue I'm trying to raise here isn't that GoDaddy, or Register.com, or AOL, or any other ESP for that matter are good or bad mail providers... it is that:
 1) You may already have paid for one;
 2) You may be better off NOT trying to change, as making the change will take time and will disrupt mail flow for at least 1-2 days; and
 3) Geographic location is the LEAST of your concerns, unless you're willing to work with a small-shop to "keep it local"

Of course, I am now adding #4: You get what you pay for!

I hope this helps!

Dan
IT4SOHO
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Scott Fell, EE MVEDeveloper & EE ModeratorCommented:
If you take another look at my answer http:Q_28255276.html#a39540050, I was referring to Google Apps For business.  It costs $50/year per user.  I have used shared and dedicated email that used a cocktail of anti spam including black hole lists, open source http://spamassassin.apache.org/ and http://www.barracuda.com or http://www.commtouch.com/.  Postini worked the best, but that is now wrapped into gmail/google apps for business.

Which part of the TOS/Privacy policy are you referring to?  http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=60762

The only thing I see is if you are using the free version, they detect content to provide ads.  
What kind of scanning/indexing of user data is done?
Email is scanned so we can perform spam filtering and virus detection.
Priority Inbox, a Gmail feature, scans email message to identify which messages are considered important and which are considered not important.
If you are using Google Apps (free edition), email is scanned so we can display contextually relevant advertising in some circumstances.
Some user data, such as documents and email messages, are scanned and indexed so your users can privately search for information in their own Google Apps accounts.
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dronethoughtAuthor Commented:
Thank you for all your comments and suggestions. I do not want a local provider as much as I want customer service to be top notch. I am tired of automation answering systems. Want to talk to the sys admin if problems arise, personal attention. I know I can get this outside Southern California. As for spam detection, does anyone know of greenviewdata (I do not work for nor endorse this company) and their spam detection program? Also, it would be nie to have a host who uses a strong antivirus on their end.

I would like personal service and will pay for it. And low latency of course.

Thanks,

J
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Scott Fell, EE MVEDeveloper & EE ModeratorCommented:
I use http://www.liquidweb.com for my dedicated hosting.  They can help you with email as well.  Their service has been excellent.   24/7 via mail/login ticket or phone.  The tech that helps you is the one that actually does the work.  I have never had a situation where they have to get to a higher level.    

Typically with the godaddy/1and1/bluehost's of the world, you talk to the lowest level first, who eventually talks to somebody else that you can't speak with and you end up with the telephone game.  

For that reason, I have really liked liquidweb for the last 4 or 5 years I have used them.
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