Ribbon editor for Access 2010

Hi all

Does anyone know of a decent editor for these ribbons? It doesn't have to be free.

I tried to check out RibbonCreator:

   http://www.ribboncreator2010.de

but this piece of shareware (their own wording) won't run on my decent machine - it fails with an 0x8002801D error:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Subscript out of range
   at Microsoft.Vbe.Interop.VBProjectsClass.Item(Object index)
   at Ribbon2010.basVBE.FindModul(Object strModulname, Object VBEProject)
   at Ribbon2010.Form1.btnSelDatabase_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)

You would expect some level of support on this but no, the first-level support team asks you to first buy a license ... and only suggests to install the tool in a VM without(!) Access. How far out is that?

But there must be other tools out there. Some, however, are for Excel, Word, PP only, and some have not been developed further than 2007.
Or can the Office Tools for Visual Studio be used?

Any suggestions?

/gustav
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mbizupCommented:
Visual Studio is decent for this - there is an XML file option available, with color coding and indications of unclosed tags.

That said, I usually just use Wordpad for ribbon XML.

(Or are you looking for something more robust than a simple editor?)
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Gustav BrockCIOAuthor Commented:
Yes, tools like RibbonCreator does a nice work validating the XML and offering preview of your custom tabs.
As we will create an extensive menu/navigation system for this app, those sort of things will be of great value.

/gustav
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DatabaseMX (Joe Anderson - Microsoft Access MVP)Database Architect / Systems AnalystCommented:
Gustav .... trust me ... I've researched and checked out (ie purchased) all known Ribbon tools. Gunter's tool is light years ahead of them all in terms of functionality and useability -  guaranteed.
I spent about 3 weeks testing and getting familiar with it's nuances, and now I am fluent with it. He took a LOT of stuff into account. And he has about 30 sample dbs on his site which I downloaded.

I have the A2010 version running on 3 machines, as well as the A2013 version running on one machine with no problem.
You should contact him with the issue. He will get back to you. I would not say he is super friendly, but - he will resolve the issue. I did have  a problem installing on my A2013 system and he did resolve it.

 If you try to create Ribbons with straight XML, you will be wasting a LOT of time - again, trust me.

Now, in conjunction with RibbonCreator20xx ... you WILL want the free Microsoft tool ...
XML Notepad 2007       - it's pretty darn cool for a free Microsoft tool.

Here is the first Ribbon I created with his tool:

Ribbon
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Gustav BrockCIOAuthor Commented:
I certainly trust you, and have read a lot of Gunther's RibbonCreater, it seems great for the task, and I don't want to waste a lot of time ...

So I contacted him, and right - he is a bit obtuse. After much correspondance he means that my versions of Access/DAO/.Net don't match. As these all are fully updated, I'm not so sure and wouldn't know how to correct it.

Let's see.

/gustav
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DatabaseMX (Joe Anderson - Microsoft Access MVP)Database Architect / Systems AnalystCommented:
Well ... regarding my A2013 install issue, I had a totally clean system ... full install of O2013 and not much else on a new laptop. RC2013 would NOT install.

At first, he said I needed the AccessDatabaseEngine.  Ummm ... I didn't think so.  I looked into it.  He sent me two new versions - still no go - no change. Finally, he completely emulated my setup (which was nothing special) - and sent me a version that worked.  I (and consequently he) clearly found a bug in the 2013 version install.  This went on over the course of 6-7 days.  To his credit, he DID stay on it - and get it resolved.

I was not in a panic, so no big deal.  And there was the time zone diff also, which I guess would be less for you.

But seriously, it really is VERY cool and there is nothing I found (eg Monta Ribbons) that even comes close.  BUT ... you need to work with it for a while on a 'practice' database(s) - and get used to the various options  - *especially* on the 'Finish' tab - and what exactly they do. Once you get that, you are good to go.
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Gustav BrockCIOAuthor Commented:
OK, thanks, I'll be patient.

/gustav
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Scott McDaniel (Microsoft Access MVP - EE MVE )Infotrakker SoftwareCommented:
I second the opinion of mx regarding Gunter's tool. I've tried them all, and there is simply no comparison.

FWIW, I'm running a Win7 64 bit box with Office 2010/2007/2003 installed and VS 2010. It seems to run fine on my machine. Also runs on my Windows 7 laptop with 2007/2010 and VS 2008(?) installed.
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Gustav BrockCIOAuthor Commented:
Thanks. I just tried to install RC on another machine. This runs Win8, Access 2010, and VS2012, and on this RC2010 installs and runs very well.

The only major perhaps relevant difference between the machines is, that the other machine has installed Visual Studio 2010 as well.

Let's see what Gunter says.

/gustav
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DatabaseMX (Joe Anderson - Microsoft Access MVP)Database Architect / Systems AnalystCommented:
Gustav ... that sounds 'similiar' to my issue with the A2013 version.  Now, I'm surprised there are issues with the A2010 install.  I assume you are running O2010/A2010 and you got the A2010 version of RC ?

Be *sure* to let Gunter know what you just found with your other setup. I gave him the various setups I had.

Also, your running the non-licensed version?  Did you let him know that. I might suggest you  just buy it - it's basically a give away at that price - seriously.
Also ... the CommandBars Converter (free) is kind of cool also, but ... you must have a licensed version of RC for that to run.
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Gustav BrockCIOAuthor Commented:
Thanks Joe.

Yes, it is Office 2010 and RC2010. And I did purchase a license as RC2010 runs on the Win8 machine.

He claims, that the issue is most likely caused by "different dll versions" as I have both VS2010 and VS2012 installed on the offending Win7 machine. As neither of these introduce new versions of .Net 2.0 which RC2010 uses, I don't understand what dlls could be an issue. To this, he just says, that I should look in the RC2010 folder where a lot of dlls are installed. That is true, but where to start? I've never seen this kind of trouble before with a program install.

For some reason, he doesn't seem very enthusiastic about sorting this out, so before approaching him with your information, perhaps you could recall your steps taking? That might be a faster route for me.

/gustav
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DatabaseMX (Joe Anderson - Microsoft Access MVP)Database Architect / Systems AnalystCommented:
"For some reason, he doesn't seem very enthusiastic about sorting this out,"
Yeah ... clueless why he has this attitude.

My steps were basically supplying him with information that he asked for, each time he sent a new version to try - and it didn't work.  I would take screen shots, etc., and send them. As we progressed toward a working install, the error messages I would get would vary somewhat.
I never did find out what the actual issue was.

All along the way, I was adamant that I did not need to install the Access Database Engine - as I knew it existed on my system, because I had a Full, clean install of O2013.

Try to hang in there ...

mx
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Boyd (HiTechCoach) Trimmell, Microsoft Access MVPDesigner and DeveloperCommented:
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DatabaseMX (Joe Anderson - Microsoft Access MVP)Database Architect / Systems AnalystCommented:
Hate to say it again .. but trust me ...  the addconsulting tool is VERY buggy, with limited functionality. I tried ... to work with Tony, but he did not seem interested.  I've found the same to be the case with his other tools.  I've offered to help troubleshoot issues on an NDA terms -- but  no go.

good luck.
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Boyd (HiTechCoach) Trimmell, Microsoft Access MVPDesigner and DeveloperCommented:
@MX, Thanks for the warnings.
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DatabaseMX (Joe Anderson - Microsoft Access MVP)Database Architect / Systems AnalystCommented:
I wish it was different :-(
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Gustav BrockCIOAuthor Commented:
Thanks to all for the input.

Gunther wasn't very enthusiastic about this, so I was forced to give up and install it on my home machine where it works well.

/gustav
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