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Do we need a Federated Server Farm

Posted on 2013-11-12
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Hello,
   We will be setting up ADFS for Office 365 in our office. The office has about 80 people in total. I am familiar with the process and have setup a small office using just one server for the Federated role. However, I am reading more and more that I should at least think about setting up a server farm. Is it necessary at this level of users?
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by:Cliff Galiher
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The reason to set up a farm isn't just load, but also resiliency. Nothing is more frustrating than losing access to most of your productivity suite just because of a single point of failure in your authentication infrastructure.

I am of the mindset that if you have enough users to benefit from ADFS, you have enough users that you want a farm. And if you don't think you have enough users to justify a farm, chances are you should probably reconsider ADFS, where DirSync would suffice for smaller organizations. For me personally, I've found that tipping point to be around 150 users before ADFS becomes worth the hassle of the added infrastructure costs and management.
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by:Vasil Michev (MVP)
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What he said, farm gives you both HA and LB. You can spin the AD FS servers in VMs, so the cost difference will not be that big. And it's not that difficult to set up, you just use the other radio button in the wizard.

So, if you indeed NEED the benefits of AD FS, follow the best practices. If you simply want 'same credentials' experience, stick to dirsync with password sync.
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by:JesusFreak42
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Hmmm.... Quick question. It seems like AD FS might be a convenience, though this company is growing quickly. However, isn't ADFS really easy to deactivate through the powershell if the server were to go down?
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by:Vasil Michev (MVP)
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Deactivating AD FS means generating new passwords for every federated user, have fun distributing those to people that cannot even access their email :)
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by:JesusFreak42
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Is that true even if Directory Synching remains active?
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Cliff Galiher earned 400 total points
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Yes, that is still true. DirSync in an ADFS infrastructure syncs the directory objects, but NOT credentials. Password syncing wasn't even a part of DirSync in its initial release and was only added much later because of popular demand. Enabling ADFS still disables password sync (by necessity) and so you end up with the same problem.

...like I said, managing ADFS is not trivial. While what the other expert said is true...that is is not "difficult" to set up, there is still background knowledge and ongoing maintenance and disaster recovery concerns that aren't technically part of the setup process, but still need to be considered.

So I stand by my initial assertion that you may not be at a place where ADFS makes sense, just based on your line of questions. That isn't an indictment. I am *good* at ADFS and Azure in general, and I don't do it for my smaller clients. The cost/benefit just isn't there.
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by:JesusFreak42
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I have proposed that we put in two ADFS machines IF we are going to go that route. Thank you
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