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layer 2 and layer 3 router/switch

Posted on 2013-11-15
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Dumb question here. I have a firewall that has port GI0/1 as:

interface GigabitEthernet0/1
 nameif inside
 security-level 100
 ip address 10.20.20.3 255.255.255.192 standby 10.20.20.4


Connected directly to this FW's port gi0/1, is a 6500 switch port 1/10:

interface GigabitEthernet1/10
 switchport
 switchport access vlan 500
 switchport mode access

There is no INT VLAN 500 anywhere on the network.


Question, Is the link between the firewall and switch considered layer 2 or layer3?
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by:Rich Rumble
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Layer 2 if they are not IP'd, and it's layer 3 when you IP them. But for layer 2 to work, you need encapsultion or trunking and the Vlans' will have to match or at least some vlans will, doesn't have to be all, but it helps :)
-rich
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by:trojan81
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richrumble,

The firewall side has an IP and the switch side is just a switchport. So would the link be layer 2 or layer 3?  
Or is the correct answer, layer 2 from the switch perspective and layer 3 from the firewall perspective?
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by:Rich Rumble
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You can't have a connection if they aren't on the same layer :) Get an IP for both sides, which is how most network gear connects, or try you hand a the very obscure layer two only link between RTR and SW...
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_1-2/switch_evolution.html

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/lan/catalyst6500/ios/12.2SX/configuration/guide/layer2.html#wp1020363
-rich
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by:trojan81
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rich,

The firewall side has an IP address, the switch side has a switchport. The int vlan is on that switch too.

Yes it works. I see it everywhere. You don't need to have an IP address at both sides. The other side can be a VLAN as long as the interface VLAN and the IP assigned to the other side are on the same network, it is fine.
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by:Rich Rumble
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The link between them is layer 2 and 3. Mac address and Vlan is layer 2 and IP is layer 3. What I was thinking you wanted the router to be the VLAN authority (HSRP). The connection is actually 1,2,3 physical network and ip. Typically I'm used to setting up the routers to have the vlan info so you can do redundant/failover HSRP setup. I got ahead of myself :)
-rich
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by:Soulja
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Author,

The connection the firewall is a HSRP layer 3 connection. Anytime you state layer 3, of course will be including the layer below it, which are layer 1 and 2. The connection on the switch side is layer 2.

The switch side looks like it's used in order for the two firewalls that are hsrp primary and secondary to communicate with one another.
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by:trojan81
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Soula and Rich,

So the correct answer is layer 2 and layer 3? I was simply looking to provide an answer for someone who asked "is the link between the firewall and inside switch layer 2 or layer 3?

Traffic from the inside hits the switch SVI at layer 3 and then is sent layer 2 to the firewall's active/passive IP.  Wouldnt the link be considered layer 2 even though the physical interface on the firewall has an IP?
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by:Rich Rumble
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It depends on what the switch is doing.
SP = 2 Vlan=1 (vlan1= 192.168.1.xxx)
RTR IP = 192.168.1.123

If PC 2 (192.168.1.234) needs to talk to the router and PC2 is physically on the same switch as the router, the Switch makes the decision at layer 2, both the router and PC2 are in the same Vlan. If PC3 (192.168.22.45) wants to go out the router, it's on a different vlan and makes it's decision based on the IP which is layer 3.

The switch router are likely still probably making the connection at layer 3 since no tunnel or layer 2 protocol is connecting the two when dealing with IP's. Since the router is concerned with layer 3, all of it's questions or it's answers will be at that layer.

When you have a higher layer, you have the lower ones too, so it's 2 and 3 because layer 3 needs layer 2.
-rich
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The connection between the switch and firewall is layer 2.  If the switch interface was a routed port the connection would be layer 3.
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