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We're looking at migrating a client from a 2003 based physical setup, with Terminal Services access, to a new 2012 Hyper V farm running on a single high spec spec server.  There are currently 4 physical servers; DC, Database, File/Print, Terminal Services server.  These would all become VMs, and then we would re-deploy 1 or 2 of the old servers, as a backup DC, and possibly an onsite Hyper-V replica server (the replica server would be further down the line and not needed initially).

1.  2012 Datacenter Edition seems way too expensive for our client's needs and current budget, especially as Dell are currently offering the first included 2012 STD license for  for $495.  Another single license should cover us for all 4 VMs, but am I right in thinking that the second license could also be used for the redeployed physical backup DC?    [2 physical machines, 4 VMs residing on 1 as a host]

2.  Currently there are less than 10 users onsite, with another 10 on a standalone remote domain, who work in remotely via Terminal Services as needed.  Assuming I need both standard and RDS/TS CALs,  will I need 20 server CALs and 10 RDS CALs, or just 10 of each?


Many thanks for any help
Dom
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by:Mahesh
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Hyper-V standard 2012 edition gives you 2 licenses free
Ideally You need to buy four more licenses to deploy total 4 VMs and 2 Physical server
Just check with MS licensing that if you could reuse the physical server licenses once they got converted to virtual ?
I guess yes, you can use it because you are using it only once by changing the hardware from physical to virtual.
In that case you don't required additional licenses and you will save two free licenses.

Terminal Server CALs are per user basis or client basis, so you require 10 CALS  for remote users
Standard CALs also required for local users

Ideally you have to have per user or per device CAL (Standard CAL) in order to access servers regardless of number.
Also if you have upgrade protection for CALs, then you can upgrade your CALs from 2003 to 2012 as well
But if you have 2012 CALs, then you can access 2003 servers as well.
Please check below articles for more info
http://www.techsoup.org/support/articles-and-how-tos/introduction-to-microsoft-server-and-client-licensing
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/mssmallbiz/archive/2007/11/06/5942350.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/productlicensing/Pages/server-cal.aspx#fbid=MS8CTCv13hg


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by:Mango-Man
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Sorry, I'm not following a lot of your answer Mahesh -  I certainly don't need another 4 2012 Std licenses!

Each Server 2012 Std gives you on physical server, and an additional 2 VMs per host if going virtual.  I know you can stack additional VM licenses on the same server (so 1 additional Std license will give me 4 VMS on same host), but the second physical box is what I need to know about - can it use the "unused" remaining physical license.

I need to know whether i can spread 2 Std licenses in the manner of 2 physical machines, but moving all 4 virtual licenses onto one host.  

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"Terminal Server CALs are per user basis or client basis, so you require 10 CALS  for remote users
Standard CALs also required for local users

Ideally you have to have per user or per device CAL (Standard CAL) in order to access servers regardless of number.
Also if you have upgrade protection for CALs, then you can upgrade your CALs from 2003 to 2012 as well"

I understand the difference between User and Client CALs - (although I didn't think anyone ever used client CALs...).  

To clarify, I'm trying to find out if the 10 remote users require local server user CALs as well as the TS/RDP CALs.

I'm posting here as speaking to MS licensing is like pulling teeth, and virtually impossible from where I am due to their location aware websites and phone systems, and most channel partners I try inquiring to are as bad.  Most of MS sites don't even list us as a country in the drop down (BVI).

Dom
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by:Mahesh
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Yes
I think you required both CALs as one for accessing server software and another for accessing server remotely through TS

Your comment
but the second physical box is what I need to know about - can it use the "unused" remaining physical license.

I am not able to understand here what you are trying to say please

Mahesh
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by:Mango-Man
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as simply as possible, can 2 x Server 2012 Std licenses (including the 2 VMs per license) be used like this

1 physical server
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1 physical server hosting 4 VMs
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as simply as possible, can 2 x Server 2012 Std licenses (including the 2 VMs per license) be used like this
1 physical server
plus
1 physical server hosting 4 VMs

No that is not permitted. Logically it might be correct, but you cannot technically prove it and your two additional VMs will never get activated automatically and you must Consume two more licenses.

I request you to check if you have existing CAL upgrade protection with your PO, then its possible to convert \ upgrade existing CALs to windows 2012 compatible CALs.
If you don't have that, then you must purchase 2012 CALs for both local and remote users (since they are accessing windows 2012 server software) and 2012 TS CALs as well for remote users.
The simple rule states that if you have CALs for windows server 2012, then you can use them to access 2003 \ 2008 servers as well.

Mahesh
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by:Mango-Man
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OK, clear now, thanks Mahesh.  

No idea on the CAL upgrade, as the licenses were bought years back by a previous consultant, so suspect will need buying all again.  Might see if the Service Tag sheds any info...
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