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P2V backups

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I have a client that I finally convinced to try virtualization.  We got a nice sandbox server and I built a basic simple windows server guest.   He currently uses Barracuda to backup his network, but they have no BMR and no P2V capability.  He would like to keep Barracuda because, aside from those shortcomings, he really likes it.    In addition, he would like to backup certain servers to this new host.   Running a single P2V from the existing server is easy and non-intrusive.  

What I was wondering is if someone can suggest a supplemental (hopefully inexpensive) solution that he can use to create or update those P2V images on a scheduled basis.  Similar to how AppAsure works, but this would be a supplemental solution, so a complete mainstream package is not necessary.  

Thanks in advance
Jon
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by:Subhashish Laha
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You should look at Storagecraft's Shadowprotect solution. Refer below links for more details

http://www.storagecraft.com/products/shadowprotect-server-backup

http://www.storagecraft.com/products/overviews/storagecraft-shadowprotect
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by:Jon Snyderman
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Looks to be about $1k per protected server.   Is that correct?  

Any other suggestions?
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by:jhyiesla
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A VM really functions a lot like any other system.  If you are used to using a standard Windows back up program that can still apply against a server VM; the back up program doesn't know whether it's physical or virtual.

If you want a more efficient way to back up VM's look at VEEAM. It's not free, but works well and has a reasonable cost.

I'm not sure about what you're really asking when you say the Barracuda has no P2V capability. P2V typically means you are going from a physical server to a virtual one and that's something that most usually you do once and has nothing to do with backing up anything.
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by:Jon Snyderman
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Thanks.   He wants to have a virtual image of the physical machine.   The target host is large enough to store the VMs and is porweful enough to run one or two of them.  The idea would be to  keep images of the physical machines so that, if one fails, a recent image can be spun up quickly on the ESXi host.    Veeam may be the solution but I was looking for others also.   Again, this is a supplemental backup so granular recovery is not necessary.  It is for DR purposes only.

Thanks
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by:jhyiesla
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AH, I see.  Don't know that I've ever seen anyone use an ESXi host JUST for DR.

vRanger is also a product that will work at the VMDK level.  We looked at it before deciding on VEEAM, but went with VEEAM at the time since vRanger was awaiting an upgrade that we would have needed in order to do what we want to do.

We are almost completely a virtualized environment; we have like one or two physical servers left. What we do is VEEAM, and VEEAM backs it up to a local "cache" drive and then we use a product form TwinStrata to actually save the backups off to rented cloud space; which is our DR.
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by:Jon Snyderman
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Andrew, that is exactly the kind of solution that I am looking for, IF it can be initiated from a command line.   Do you know of any way to initiate the sync from the Windows task manager?
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It cannot be executed from the command line, but it's FREE!

It's an interactive process.

If you want similar, you will have to purchase StorageCraft or DouleTake products to do the same.
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by:jhyiesla
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I will NOT recommend Double Take; at least their standard backup product. . We saw it at a conference a few years ago and liked what we saw.  And it's not that  it didn't work, but we ran it for about a year or so and during that time. I must have spoken with every tech support person they have because we kept running into little issues. Most of the issues were solved by making minor tweaks to the config on the server being backed up, but after getting an explanation from them about why we did the tweak, I always wondered why this wasn't just a part of their standard install.  We also ran into issues with it taking up way too much processing power on the server which in some cases caused issues with the server's ability to run whatever app(s) we had built the server for in the first place. We finally just dropped that as a back up product.
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by:Jon Snyderman
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@Andrew, that is what I was afraid of.  I dont think the customer would mind an expense.  I just dont know that they want an expense at those levels.    Had they not invested in Barracuda, I would have suggested a full feature BDR solution and this problem would not exist.

@jhyiesla, thank you for that input.  I used DT a few years back with good success, but not since they were bought by Vision (usually a good company) and not since many releases Im sure.  

Im going to leave this open for a short time to see if I get any other suggestions but I thank you both.

Thanks!
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