two networks one printer
Experts,
i wonder if you could help. i have 2 networks with different subnets. Network A (192.168.0.0) where the printer is connected via Ethernet cable, Network B (10.0.1.0) where i would like to connect it via USB.
2 networks, 2 different ISPs, 2 wireless routers that has DHCP enabled, no servers.
the problem i have is, there is only one data network plug next to that printer. it has been done in the past, where a network splitter and small netgear print server were installed. network cable goes into one port of the splitter, usb cable goes to the print server and off to the other port of the splitter.
now off to the switch cabinet, there is a splitter there too where one port cable network goes to Network A and the other port goes to Network B.
Network A users can print normally because theyre the ones connected via the ethernet cable and when i check the printer's network settings, it has 192.168.x.x address.
my question is, how can get Network B users to print?
thank you
i wonder if you could help. i have 2 networks with different subnets. Network A (192.168.0.0) where the printer is connected via Ethernet cable, Network B (10.0.1.0) where i would like to connect it via USB.
2 networks, 2 different ISPs, 2 wireless routers that has DHCP enabled, no servers.
the problem i have is, there is only one data network plug next to that printer. it has been done in the past, where a network splitter and small netgear print server were installed. network cable goes into one port of the splitter, usb cable goes to the print server and off to the other port of the splitter.
now off to the switch cabinet, there is a splitter there too where one port cable network goes to Network A and the other port goes to Network B.
Network A users can print normally because theyre the ones connected via the ethernet cable and when i check the printer's network settings, it has 192.168.x.x address.
my question is, how can get Network B users to print?
thank you
Martin Anderson
can users in either network see and connect to each other, or a common server?
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no there is no connection between the routers so they can't see each other. i read that connecting the routers to each other could cause problems.
If the printer is connected via network to network A, and via USB to a PC (or server) on network B, there should be no problem giving other network B users access to the printer, if you share the printer (and give everyone at least print permissions).
Every printer I know of lets you simultaneously send data to all its interfaces. The jobs will be handled on a first-come-first-served basis, and other jobs will be held until the printer is ready for them.
It is possible that a printserver (USB to network adapter) will work, but that depends on the printer model. It should work fine if the printer supports PCL5/6 or PostScript, most likely not if the printer supports GDI, or PCL3 or any other funny language.
Every printer I know of lets you simultaneously send data to all its interfaces. The jobs will be handled on a first-come-first-served basis, and other jobs will be held until the printer is ready for them.
It is possible that a printserver (USB to network adapter) will work, but that depends on the printer model. It should work fine if the printer supports PCL5/6 or PostScript, most likely not if the printer supports GDI, or PCL3 or any other funny language.
Just an aside:
With some (but by no means all) of the more recent printers which have both wired and wireless network interfaces, you cannot print (or perhaps even enable) both at the same time.
Every printer I know of lets you simultaneously send data to all its interfaces
With some (but by no means all) of the more recent printers which have both wired and wireless network interfaces, you cannot print (or perhaps even enable) both at the same time.
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guys thanks for your help. the splitter worked, the printer's ip address is 192.169.1.50.
i can ping it from any pc. and i can add it to the printer list and make it as default.
my new issue is; when i try to print a single test page, so many pages come out and with rubbish written on all of them (see attached).
ive tried installing many drivers but something else is causing this which i can't get my hear around.
please help
rubbish.pdf
i can ping it from any pc. and i can add it to the printer list and make it as default.
my new issue is; when i try to print a single test page, so many pages come out and with rubbish written on all of them (see attached).
ive tried installing many drivers but something else is causing this which i can't get my hear around.
please help
rubbish.pdf
what model printer is it? have your tried using a postscript driver?
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It's a canon irc 2880. No I haven't tried postscript. Will give this a go now
What is your "splitter"?
Can it eb configured? If so, you should configure it for "raw" operations and use the correct drivers on the client side...
The "rubish" you see looks like a postscript output to me but your printer (or something in the path) interprets it as text...
Can it eb configured? If so, you should configure it for "raw" operations and use the correct drivers on the client side...
The "rubish" you see looks like a postscript output to me but your printer (or something in the path) interprets it as text...
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Thanks vivigatt
please see splitter attached. it did work in the past but i think there was a firewall installed that linked both networks A and B
IMG-20140211-162850.jpg
please see splitter attached. it did work in the past but i think there was a firewall installed that linked both networks A and B
IMG-20140211-162850.jpg
I think it is actually a "doubler".
It can make two Ethernet sockets off a single Ethernet sockets, provided that the single Ethernet is fully cabled (8 connectors). A 1Gbps Ethernet port has 8 wires, so then, you could split a 1Gbps Ethernet Socket into 2 100Mbps sockets (100Mbps requires only 4 wires).
But unless you use VLANs or the Printer can be configured to be "multi-homed" (meaning it can have multiple IP addresses in various subnets), I can't see how this would allow your printer to be connected to 2 different subnets at the same time.
Your configuration seems really weird to me, and I can't even understand how you can reach the printer from the 2 different subnets using this splitter connected to your printer Ethernet socket. But there may be something I got wrong. Can you actually ping the printer from hosts in both your subnets ? If so, it means that the printer have 2 IP addresses, one in each subnet. Or what ?
It can make two Ethernet sockets off a single Ethernet sockets, provided that the single Ethernet is fully cabled (8 connectors). A 1Gbps Ethernet port has 8 wires, so then, you could split a 1Gbps Ethernet Socket into 2 100Mbps sockets (100Mbps requires only 4 wires).
But unless you use VLANs or the Printer can be configured to be "multi-homed" (meaning it can have multiple IP addresses in various subnets), I can't see how this would allow your printer to be connected to 2 different subnets at the same time.
Your configuration seems really weird to me, and I can't even understand how you can reach the printer from the 2 different subnets using this splitter connected to your printer Ethernet socket. But there may be something I got wrong. Can you actually ping the printer from hosts in both your subnets ? If so, it means that the printer have 2 IP addresses, one in each subnet. Or what ?
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I'll explain. I have 2 splitters, first splitter is at the printer side, 2 ports; one goes direct into the printer(Ethernet socket). The second goes into a print server netgear and to the printer via USB.
Second splitter is at the switch side, one port goes to network A and has IP 192.168.0.221 and second port goes to network B and has IP 192.168.1.50.
I can ping the printer from both networks. I can even print from both networks BUT 95% of print jobs from network B comes out with loads of papers with lots of non sense texts.
I thought it was a driver issue but I tried plc5 and 6 and ps3 postscript still same result.
Second splitter is at the switch side, one port goes to network A and has IP 192.168.0.221 and second port goes to network B and has IP 192.168.1.50.
I can ping the printer from both networks. I can even print from both networks BUT 95% of print jobs from network B comes out with loads of papers with lots of non sense texts.
I thought it was a driver issue but I tried plc5 and 6 and ps3 postscript still same result.
The garbage printed by your printer is PostScript printer code. This happens when you use a PostScript driver with a PCL5/6 printer.
Two possible solutions:
1. Use a PCL5 driver
2. Make sure the printer is set to either PostScript, or to autoswitch languages
Two possible solutions:
1. Use a PCL5 driver
2. Make sure the printer is set to either PostScript, or to autoswitch languages
Does your printer model support PostScript?
According to the specifications, PostScript support is optional, and requires the PS Printer Kit-Q2ttt.
According to the specifications, PostScript support is optional, and requires the PS Printer Kit-Q2ttt.
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i've used PCL5 before and it didn't work.
ok i installed a new unverified driver. now under printing preferences, a new tab appeared "postScript".
there are few options:
postscript output format:
1- postscript (optimized for speed)
2- postscript (optimized for portability - ADSC)
3- encapsulated postscript (EPS)
4- archive format
after that i have postscript language level with only two options to choose from 2 or 3
after that True Type fonts settings.
i don't know what these options are. which to use? or i shall try one by one
ok i installed a new unverified driver. now under printing preferences, a new tab appeared "postScript".
there are few options:
postscript output format:
1- postscript (optimized for speed)
2- postscript (optimized for portability - ADSC)
3- encapsulated postscript (EPS)
4- archive format
after that i have postscript language level with only two options to choose from 2 or 3
after that True Type fonts settings.
i don't know what these options are. which to use? or i shall try one by one
'Optimised for portability' should mean that the output is compatible with a larger range of devices.
Level 3 PS is an extended version of level 2; only choose the former if you know that the target printer supports that level (most will support at least level 2).
Level 3 PS is an extended version of level 2; only choose the former if you know that the target printer supports that level (most will support at least level 2).
You had a PS driver before - your rubbish.pdf file shows that the old driver was sending PS, and the printer does not understand it. Hence, a new PS driver will not make any difference, regardless of the output format you choose.
According to the data sheet, your printer supports UFR II (a Canon special), PostScript3, PCL5c, if you have the "COLOUR NETWOrk MULTI-PDL PRINTER KIT – Q1" installed. The weird thing is that it does not list any languages without that kit, so I expect it will only support UFRII without it.
UFRII, PCL5/6 & PS drivers for the iRC2880 are available here:
http://software.canon-europe.com/products/0010365.asp
Give the UFRII driver a try. If that works you can see if can you get the others to work. If you want to make the PS drivers work (and the kit is installed), you need to do what I said in my earlier post: set the printer up so it either expects PS or auto-switches languages.
According to the data sheet, your printer supports UFR II (a Canon special), PostScript3, PCL5c, if you have the "COLOUR NETWOrk MULTI-PDL PRINTER KIT – Q1" installed. The weird thing is that it does not list any languages without that kit, so I expect it will only support UFRII without it.
UFRII, PCL5/6 & PS drivers for the iRC2880 are available here:
http://software.canon-europe.com/products/0010365.asp
Give the UFRII driver a try. If that works you can see if can you get the others to work. If you want to make the PS drivers work (and the kit is installed), you need to do what I said in my earlier post: set the printer up so it either expects PS or auto-switches languages.
Network A users can print normally ...So what driver is installed for these users?
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I've downloaded UFRII driver and off now to test it
on working users PCs, got the driver from windows update. add printer, then select the make from left hand side list and model from right hand side list, next and off it goes.
but that did not work with users on network B
on working users PCs, got the driver from windows update. add printer, then select the make from left hand side list and model from right hand side list, next and off it goes.
but that did not work with users on network B
but that did not work with users on network B
In what way did it not work?
The driver didn't install?
The driver installed but prints rubbish?
Something else?
ASKER
it is installed but prints rubbish
Could the netgear print server modify the print job one way or another ? Check its config.
Also make sure you have the correct drivers for your printer (maybe the netgear print server needs a printer driver, I've seen that in the past with print servers serving usb printers)
Also make sure you have the correct drivers for your printer (maybe the netgear print server needs a printer driver, I've seen that in the past with print servers serving usb printers)
>> ... Could the netgear print server modify the print job one way or another ? ...
To check whether the server (or anything else in the route between workstation and printer) is perhaps doing something like that:
To check whether the server (or anything else in the route between workstation and printer) is perhaps doing something like that:
Print a (small) job from a 'good' network A user, and confirm that it prints OK.
Reprint the same document, but choose the 'print to file' option in the Print dialogue; the generated print stream will be written to a nominated .prn file.
Copy the contents of the saved .prn file to the printer port, from a network A system, to again confirm that the job is OK (it certainly should be); the easiest way to do this on a Windows system would probably be to use the 'lpr' command as follows:
lpr -S printer-IP-address -P any myfile.prn
Now repeat the copy from a system on the network B side.
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UFRII did not fix the issue, i still get many pages with one line of non sense texts on them.
there are no settings i can change in the print server portal.
i got one pc on network B to work but after another two tests, i got same result.
puzzling me this issue and it's taking me too long. i'll just throw a pc next to printer, connect it through usb, then share it
there are no settings i can change in the print server portal.
i got one pc on network B to work but after another two tests, i got same result.
puzzling me this issue and it's taking me too long. i'll just throw a pc next to printer, connect it through usb, then share it
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netgear model PS121v2. firmware version V1.0.07
i did not about that. i had this print server for years and never used it so maybe it needs a firware update
i did not about that. i had this print server for years and never used it so maybe it needs a firware update
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http://documentation.netgear.com/ps121/enu/202-10211-01/PS121v2-4-9.html
Make sure your print server is configured as LPR
Also make sure you have the latest firmware (v2.0.02):
http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/PS121v2/PS121v2%20Print%20Server%20Software%20version%202.0.2.zip
User manual:
http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/PS121v2_UM_12Apr07.pdf
You will find how to upgrade the firmware
Note that your printer is NOT in the list of printers that have passed compatibility tests with your printe server :
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/137
but this does not mean that it will not work...
Some resources:
http://www.netgear.com/search.aspx?q=PS121v2
Make sure your print server is configured as LPR
Also make sure you have the latest firmware (v2.0.02):
http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/PS121v2/PS121v2%20Print%20Server%20Software%20version%202.0.2.zip
User manual:
http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/PS121v2_UM_12Apr07.pdf
You will find how to upgrade the firmware
Note that your printer is NOT in the list of printers that have passed compatibility tests with your printe server :
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/137
but this does not mean that it will not work...
Some resources:
http://www.netgear.com/search.aspx?q=PS121v2
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BREAK THROUGH
guys thank you very much for all your help. all comments were part of the solution but vivigatt put me in the right direction when the "some models had to know the USB driver to use for the printer" comment got me thinking that something might be wrong with the print server itself rather than the printer or drivers used, which i did not suspect it to be.
anyhow, i've replaced the print server with an HP one i had in the drawer for a situation like this. printing nicely now no probs.
once again thank you very much for your help
guys thank you very much for all your help. all comments were part of the solution but vivigatt put me in the right direction when the "some models had to know the USB driver to use for the printer" comment got me thinking that something might be wrong with the print server itself rather than the printer or drivers used, which i did not suspect it to be.
anyhow, i've replaced the print server with an HP one i had in the drawer for a situation like this. printing nicely now no probs.
once again thank you very much for your help