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What do i need sbs exchange and terminal-service
Hi,
we would like to buy a new server. At the moment we use only one machine with sbs2003. We need Exchange and we use RDP for some (10 users - normally not all at the same time).
What do we need to buy, if we need the following and don´t want to spent too much money:
- Fileserver
- Exchange (no cloud-service)
- Terminal-Sessions (users should be able to log into the server and use word, excel etc)
In my opinion one need two machines. One for SBS2011 and one for Server 2008. What is the best/cheapest way of licencing ?
Thanks in advance
we would like to buy a new server. At the moment we use only one machine with sbs2003. We need Exchange and we use RDP for some (10 users - normally not all at the same time).
What do we need to buy, if we need the following and don´t want to spent too much money:
- Fileserver
- Exchange (no cloud-service)
- Terminal-Sessions (users should be able to log into the server and use word, excel etc)
In my opinion one need two machines. One for SBS2011 and one for Server 2008. What is the best/cheapest way of licencing ?
Thanks in advance
ASKER
So you mean, we could install a SBS2011 (we would like to have Exchange, not only Exchange-like-Things) and a server2008 on hyperV on the same machine ?
This would be ok with one bought SBS2011-license ?
The Office and RDP-Licenses i know that i have to buy those.
What hardware should be recommended for 5-10 RDP-users an around 10 Fileserver-users (not so heavy load) ?
Thanks so far !
This would be ok with one bought SBS2011-license ?
The Office and RDP-Licenses i know that i have to buy those.
What hardware should be recommended for 5-10 RDP-users an around 10 Fileserver-users (not so heavy load) ?
Thanks so far !
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I agree with Cliff,
2012 is reasonably priced on the market, and is generally cheaper than any version of 2008 you can buy from an aftermarket retailer.
2012 is reasonably priced on the market, and is generally cheaper than any version of 2008 you can buy from an aftermarket retailer.
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So do i get it right:
Possibility 1:
1x Hardware
1x Server 2012 Std R2 (installed only with hyper-V role on Hardware, and no domain) HM1
1x installed in VM with Exhchange (in domain) VM1
1x installed in VM with RDP (in domain) VM2
1x Server 2012 Essential (Fileserver, AD, Domaincontroller) installed in vm VM3
On which installation is running than the terminal-Server-Manger ? On VM1 or VM3 ?
Possibility 2:
2x Hardware
1x SBS2011 (Domaincontroller, Exchange, Fileserver)
1x Server 2012 R2 Std (downgrade to 2008) (RDP-Server)
Cloud-Solution is not an option, because we are in germany. We don´t want to "send" our Mails and documents to microsoft/NSA...
I know that having your own server is not the garantee for the NSA don´t have look at it. But it is more safe than an cloud-solution of an american company.
Possibility 1:
1x Hardware
1x Server 2012 Std R2 (installed only with hyper-V role on Hardware, and no domain) HM1
1x installed in VM with Exhchange (in domain) VM1
1x installed in VM with RDP (in domain) VM2
1x Server 2012 Essential (Fileserver, AD, Domaincontroller) installed in vm VM3
On which installation is running than the terminal-Server-Manger ? On VM1 or VM3 ?
Possibility 2:
2x Hardware
1x SBS2011 (Domaincontroller, Exchange, Fileserver)
1x Server 2012 R2 Std (downgrade to 2008) (RDP-Server)
Cloud-Solution is not an option, because we are in germany. We don´t want to "send" our Mails and documents to microsoft/NSA...
I know that having your own server is not the garantee for the NSA don´t have look at it. But it is more safe than an cloud-solution of an american company.
Y'know, if you are truly going to evaluate your options, you should look at the factual information rather than the rumors and propaganda.
Office 365 is independently certified under EU safe harbor as well as conforming to the "EU model clauses":
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/business/office-365-security-and-privacy-verified-by-a-third-party-FX103089231.aspx
And, you are fooling yourself if you believe that your on-premise server is more secure. I very much doubt that you would detect a breach in the security of your network -- and I would guess that the majority if not all of your current outbound email is not encrypted.
I have a client that is in the financial services industry -- they do NOT want their data in a location they cannot control. So we have their Exchange Servers located in two separate colo data centers in our own secure cage, etc. This solution (for a 15 person office) cost them over $80,000.00 to deploy and their monthly costs are around $2000.00. But this is the only way we are confident of the security (which is being monitored by 6 full-time security analysts at each colo).
It's fine if you choose to keep the services on-site, but you just need to know how much that decision is costing you and if it truly is more secure.
If you are going to go with on-premise then your scenario is good. I'd suggest that you get as powerful a machine as you can afford. At least 32GB of RAM, dual processors, dual NICs and a separate RAID for your Exchange spindle.
Office 365 is independently certified under EU safe harbor as well as conforming to the "EU model clauses":
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/business/office-365-security-and-privacy-verified-by-a-third-party-FX103089231.aspx
And, you are fooling yourself if you believe that your on-premise server is more secure. I very much doubt that you would detect a breach in the security of your network -- and I would guess that the majority if not all of your current outbound email is not encrypted.
I have a client that is in the financial services industry -- they do NOT want their data in a location they cannot control. So we have their Exchange Servers located in two separate colo data centers in our own secure cage, etc. This solution (for a 15 person office) cost them over $80,000.00 to deploy and their monthly costs are around $2000.00. But this is the only way we are confident of the security (which is being monitored by 6 full-time security analysts at each colo).
It's fine if you choose to keep the services on-site, but you just need to know how much that decision is costing you and if it truly is more secure.
If you are going to go with on-premise then your scenario is good. I'd suggest that you get as powerful a machine as you can afford. At least 32GB of RAM, dual processors, dual NICs and a separate RAID for your Exchange spindle.
Jeffrey is right, but also there are other things to consider.
The fact of the matter is that a majority of the email servers out there (the ones you are sending to and receiving from) have little or no security in place.
In addition to this, TLS server-to-server encryption is not yet a requirement (it is an option, but not a requirement), and until this or some other form of encryption becomes standard accross all servers, then we are left with the status quo.
This is to say, that however secure YOUR email transmission infrastructure is, if you are sending email to or receiving email from these servers which do not support or have not set TLS/SSL over SMTP, then you are sending and receiving the message(s) in clear text.
So, if you are not wanting to send anything to the NSA, you have to ensure that all of the email traffic is encrypted from server to server.
My $0.02
Leon
The fact of the matter is that a majority of the email servers out there (the ones you are sending to and receiving from) have little or no security in place.
In addition to this, TLS server-to-server encryption is not yet a requirement (it is an option, but not a requirement), and until this or some other form of encryption becomes standard accross all servers, then we are left with the status quo.
This is to say, that however secure YOUR email transmission infrastructure is, if you are sending email to or receiving email from these servers which do not support or have not set TLS/SSL over SMTP, then you are sending and receiving the message(s) in clear text.
So, if you are not wanting to send anything to the NSA, you have to ensure that all of the email traffic is encrypted from server to server.
My $0.02
Leon
This was recently published on the Official Microsoft Blog:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2013/12/04/protecting-customer-data-from-government-snooping.aspx
http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2013/12/04/protecting-customer-data-from-government-snooping.aspx
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Very nice, i gave everything to my boss. I should decide. But Office365 isn´t as bad as i thought. The Small business of Office 365 with online-Exchange is an option too, i think.
If you are on a limited budget, you should really be looking at virtualization, you can purchase one physical server. Windows Server 2008 and later standard comes with the ability to virtualize (Hyper-V), and comes packaged with 1 virtual license and should be all you need.
You are going to need 10 machine licenses for the Terminal Services, and a volume licensed version of MS office (ProPlus) for Terminal services access (retail versions will not install in a TS environment).
Do you specifically need exchange? or just the exchange functionality?
There are plenty of great alternatives out there that cost a great deal less if the budget is limited.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Leon