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NTLDR missing in XP

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Hello,
in order to get the data from an incompatible program with windows 7, i wanted to install XP on an empty IDE drive (maxtor 40 GB)
so i start from the XP SP3 cd (tested and fully working) - all fine till it reboots fort he first time - to start the 2nd phase of the install.
then it boots from the disk drive, and i get NTLDR missing
i tried fixboot, fixmbr, bootcfg /rebuild - without success here's the contents of the drive :
xp
i even tried all of these :
Boot using the Windows XP installation disk, press R. Then type the following commands:
note : you can test after each command

      FIXMBR
      FIXBOOT
      BOOTCFG /rebuild

      cd\
      copy E:\i386\NTLDR c:\
      ATTRIB -arsh ntldr
      copy e:\i386\NTDETECT.COM
      ATTRIB -arsh ntdetect.com c:\

Why does it refuse to boot?  what am i missing ????

plse don't suggest VM - i know that is still possible
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Question by:nobus
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by:Alex Green
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You can dual boot both windows 7 and XP without any issues, however you do have to do it in a very specific way.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/8057-dual-boot-installation-windows-7-xp.html

I've used that guide a number of times and it's never failed me, you may want to give it a look.

Likelihood is you'll need your SATA drivers for the controller or something simple like that.

Regards

Alex
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by:BillBondo
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I this on a stand alone mach? Maybe the hd is bad? I would remove the win7 hd so only the xp hd is being accessed if you have both in the same tower.
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by:nobus
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@alex  - i don't want that, or VM
@Bill - it has been tried on 2 different drives
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by:Alex Green
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You can't remove the other disk because it'll have the bootloader
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by:nobus
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and ther e is only 1 drive during the install
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by:Alex Green
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Oh sorry,

I thought you were trying to dual boot the OS with windows 7, my bad.

Regards

Alex
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by:nobus
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no -only install XP on ONE standalone PC with 1 drive - very simple setup
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by:BillBondo
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To me it sounds like the cd is bad. Or you can take the drives and put them in the win7 mach and see if it works. Remove the win7 drive ofcourse
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by:nobus
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i posted that it is a good cd .
i make the xp drive on the same motherboard as the windows 7

still waiting for the first helpful comment
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by:BillBondo
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Try running chkdsk /r from the cd.
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by:dbrunton
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Try another OS such as Linux and see if that installs.  If it does and works then you know the drive is definitely OK.
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Darr247 earned 500 total points
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Try reseating the IDE connectors on the motherboard and the hard drive...
are you using Cable Select or Master/Slave jumpers?

If you're using Cable Select you need to have the MIDDLE connector connected to the IDE drive to make it the Master.
If the middle connector won't reach where the hard drive's mounted, then use the drive's Master jumper instead.

If that was the problem, you may still need to perform a Repair install (that does NOT mean using the repair console)...
press Enter at the Welcome to Setup screen
press F8 to agree to the EULA
ensure there's only one copy of XP already there (i.e. the one highlighted), and press R to start the repair install.
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by:nobus
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i KNOW the drive is ok - has been installed with other OS - no problem.
ihave tried : another IDE cable and drive, and the drive is set to master, and the BIOS points to it, and sees it correct (because it shows NTLDR message)
repair install does NOT work, since the install is not complete i think; so it does not give me that choice .
i even tried paragons boot corrector tool - no success.
i might try cable select -just to see if it changes.
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by:nobus
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Darr - your comment helped me on the way!
i used cable select - and it restarted the setup immediately (don't know why it did not on M/S) but i got a BSOD 00F4 at 34 minutes ...since that happened 2x in a row, i left only 4 Gb ram (since it is a 32 bit install) and it's getting on.
I'll post results later

thanks Darr; and if you have ideas about the C/S versus M/S settings, i'm all ears
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0xF4: CRITICAL_OBJECT_TERMINATION

The CRITICAL_OBJECT_TERMINATION bug check has a value of 0x000000F4. This indicates that a process or thread crucial to system operation has unexpectedly exited or been terminated.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff560372%28VS.85%29.aspx

Do you have too much RAM in the machine, by any chance?
e.g. cut it back to 1GB or less.

Can you connect the drive you're using to another computer and run
chkdsk x: /R
(where x = its drive letter) on that hard drive?
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by:nobus
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darr - i reduced it to 4 gb - and all is ok now.
i'll close thsi tomorrow

i'd like only to know what caused it not to boot, and putting it on C/S made it go on?
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by:Darr247
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Apparently it confused XP's installer.  
With public support for XP ending soon, we may never know for sure. :-|
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by:nobus
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while not the complete answer - i award all points to Darr, since he got me going again
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