Windows 7 64 bit won't recognize 8 G RAM

I have a Dell Optiplex 780 with an Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00 GHz.

From the factory it was running XP Pro 32 bit.

I have updated the BIOS to A15, the latest version. I installed a new drive and installed W7 Pro x64.  The machine runs fine with the original (2) 2G RAM chips.

I checked the Crucial.com website and ordered the chips their software tool that loads on your system recommended to add (2) 4G RAM chips to get 12 G RAM.

The machine has four slots, 2 with white tabs that have the original chips, and 2 with black tabs.

When I added the new chips to the black slots, on bootup the machine would only display a black screen.  No cursor, no message about the amount of RAM changing, no beeps.

Next I removed the original chips and put the new chips in the white slots. Same result.

I then removed the new chips and put in the original chips.. and the machine boots fine.

OK, must be bad/wrong RAM chips, I figured.  Lets go to 4allmemory.com and see what they tell us. Downloaded their tool, ordered those chips and had exactly the same "adventure".

What am I missing here?

Suggestions welcome.

Thanks.

Tomster2
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web_trackerComputer Service TechnicianCommented:
According to the specs for this computer it definitely should recognize 8 gb of ram. See attachment or see the link. Did the memory meet the criteria mentioned in their spec sheet? http://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent/shared-content/data-sheets/en/Documents/optiplex_780_tech_spec_sheet.pdf
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käµfm³d 👽Commented:
What are the specs of the new RAM sticks?
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Tomster2Author Commented:
The old chips are DDR3 1066mhz

The new chips are DDR3-1600(PC3-12800) Non ECC Unbuffered 240 pin = 1.5 CL=11 Memory
4allmemory # 7777050.

I should mention that I also tried just (1) of the old chips and the machine booted fine... I then removed that chip and then tried just (1) of the new chips... in the same slot.  Black screen again.
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käµfm³d 👽Commented:
According to the spec sheet that web_tracker posted, 1333 is the max frequency supported by that machine.
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Tomster2Author Commented:
Good observation.  I will contact 4allmemory accordingly.

Will I be able to use the original 1066 chips with 1333 chips, or should I make sure the new ones are 1066 as well?
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käµfm³d 👽Commented:
As I understand, the higher-speed chips will be underclocked down to the slower speed. Wait for someone else to confirm, though.
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web_trackerComputer Service TechnicianCommented:
I am not sure if these sticks will work due to the max MHz has been exceeded the recommended mhz. Contact Dell to find out for sure if this is the problem.
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web_trackerComputer Service TechnicianCommented:
Many websites do say that you can run a higher speed ram module in your system but it will run at the maximum speed of the mobo. I was going to say there is an issue with the two speeds of memory you are using but, you tried the new memory in the slots with the old memory removed. Puzzling indeed. It is highly unlikely both new modules would be bad, but then it is not impossible. Do you have another mobo where you can test these sticks of memory? Other than that you need to contact the person where you got these sticks and ask for an exchange.
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käµfm³d 👽Commented:
I am not sure if these sticks will work due to the max MHz has been exceeded the recommended mhz.
Agreed. But I am saying that if you decide to buy 1333 sticks, they will be underclocked (by the system) to 1066 to match the existing sticks frequency.
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nobusCommented:
i suggest to buy the SAME chips - some motherboards are "picky" about mixing ram brands and models; i mean same spec AND brand

also - by installing 4 sticks, you are loading the Ram bus to a max - this often results in distorted signals, or weaker ones; if your system accepts ram sizes above 2 GB, i would try that - eg 2x4 GB stick
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
The DDR3-1600 modules SHOULD have worked fine ... they would simply run at the speed of the original modules.

It also shouldn't matter whether the brands are the same -- the modules you bought from Crucial SHOULD have worked ... as should the modules from 4AllMemory.

Check the BIOS to see what voltage your memory is set at.   If the original modules required a non-standard voltage (i.e. not 1.5v) the memory voltage may be set at a value that the new 1.5v modules you've bought won't work at (either too high or too low).    If the BIOS has a "fail safe" setting, reset it to that and then see if it will work with your new modules -- just in case the memory settings have been modified in the BIOS at some point.
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Tomster2Author Commented:
I contacted 4allmemory and ordered replacements at 1066.

Will have them tomorrow.... and will update the status of this request.

Thanks for the quick responses.

Will also check the BIOS settings for the voltage... if we can use the first batch of new chips, fine, if not, we will try the incoming new batch.
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Tomster2Author Commented:
Some progress. The (2) 4G chips rated 1066 mhz arrived. After putting them, bootup proceeded through the "System memory has changed" screen... and the chips are shown properly in the BIOS that lists slot and capacity.

However, after that I get the:

Windows failed to start properly - continue normally - or run windows repair.  Both options kick me back to a reboot and the same "Windows failed to start properly" screen.

Dumb question... would the motherboard be using different chip set drivers when a 32 bit os is installed, vs 64 bit os.   (The prior XP OS was 32bit.)?  I don't know if that is an issue, but I am going to see if I track them down and see if there is a difference.

For XP, Dell always required installing the chipset drivers after the XP OS was installed.  Don't know if that applies to W7.
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nobusCommented:
yes - it applies also.
afyer installing any OS you have to install ALL drivers for it.
in many cases, windows will install generic drivers - but it can be wise to update them all
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
"... would the motherboard be using different chip set drivers when a 32 bit os is installed, vs 64 bit os.  " ==>  The motherboard doesn't "use" chipset drivers ... the installed OS needs the drivers to properly "talk" to the motherboard's chipset.    Most manufacturers have a unified chipset driver that runs on either 32 or 64 bit OS's ... and for older hardware Windows 7 likely already "knows" about you chipset anyway - it certainly has drivers built-in to the installer for the Q45 chipset in your system.   You can install Intel's

It wouldn't hurt to download Intel's unified chipset installer for the Q45 (available at either Intel or Dell's sites) ... but that's NOT your problem here.

From your experience so far, it's likely there's an issue besides just your new memory modules.    You may have a corrupt install [You could try re-installing Windows 7 using a different installer disk);   your motherboard may have issues [Look VERY carefully at all of the capacitors to ensure there are no signs of leakage or bulging ... this is a common problem and would easily cause issues like you're seeing];  and you may simply have a very marginal power supply that the added load of additional memory has put "over the edge"  [Trying a known-good higher-power PSU would easily confirm if that's an issue].

The fact your other modules didn't show up correctly also tends to point to a potential hardware issue, as there shouldn't have been any problem with them either.
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Tomster2Author Commented:
Had my hands back on the computer again.

This time I took (2) 2GB chips out of another Optiplex 780 that had (4) installed. Let call this machine B.

Put these (2) into the problem machine (machine A) and after the usual "system memory has changed" message... it booted fine.  This was with a total of (4) 2G chips.

I then tried adding the (2) 4G chips to the machine B... and although it gave me a "system memory has changed" message... it would not boot.

Something about the combination of hardware on the optiplex 780 (2 different machines) just does not like the 4G chips... even though both crucial and 4all memory recommend them.

I did check the state of the capacitors on the mother board of B... no oozing out the top... I have seen that on other machines that have died... but this one looks fine.

I am going to order additional 2G chips for machine A and call it done.

Thanks very much for all the comments and suggestions. This was really an odd one. Will be splitting the points.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Really strange.

I just had one other thought => check the BIOS to see if there is an "Install Mode".    This is a mode that was common on Dell servers a few years ago when there were problems installing some OS's with "too much" memory.   What it does is limit the total memory capability.   I doubt that's your issue -- but it certainly wouldn't hurt to double-check.   If you find it, turn it off.
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web_trackerComputer Service TechnicianCommented:
I tend to think this is a limitation on the machine, it is possible that Dell gave the memory companies miss information stating that the slots would accept four gb sticks when they only recognize 2gb. Thanks for being fair when awarding the points.
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Tomster2Author Commented:
You are welcome.  Four people all made suggestions that would help under normal circumstances... so I did a four way split.
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