SQL data tools from SQL server 2012 and SQL data tools - business Intelligence for VS 2012

Dear all,

When we are install the integration service from SQL server 2012 source CD, it will instlal the SQL data tools.

but we can download the SQL data tools - business INtelligence for VS2012 too, what is the difference between them?
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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Asked:
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Jacques Bourgeois (James Burger)PresidentCommented:
For the connection problem, try http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh213130(SQL.110).aspx

As for Windows 8.1, I cannot say. I searched around on the Microsoft site, but with version 2014 released yesterday, a lot of the links for 2012 bring you to 2014. I've been able to get a few pages stating Windows 8 as a supported system, but nothing with 8.1.

One thing that is almost sure, you need at least Windows 8.1 Pro for a lot of features, so if you are on a lower edition, it can lead to problems.
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Jacques Bourgeois (James Burger)PresidentCommented:
BI includes  Analysis Services, Integration Services, and Reporting Services projects. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms173767(v=sql.105).aspx

Integration service is a thus a subset of the Business Intelligence package.

The data Tools run in the same environment, but you have more project templates in the BI.
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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
so you mean this one "SQL data tools - business INtelligence for VS2012 " include the binary of Analysis Services, Integration Services, and Reporting Services.

so the  SQL data tools - business INtelligence for VS2012 will have all project of the 3 x component ?

but if we use the SQL installation source, we can select that ourselve and finally no diff?
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Jacques Bourgeois (James Burger)PresidentCommented:
I suppose so.

You say you are installing from the SQL Server 2012 CD, and I haven't done that for years, since everything I install now is downloaded. When downloaded, the components are usually downloaded separately to prevent a download that is too long. On the CD, it is quite possible that everything is included. If not, then it can be downloaded later.
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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
you can see that "SQL Server Data Tools - Business Intelligence for Visual Studio 2012" is just one file and when I run it, it shows:

SQL Server Data Tools - Business Intelligence for Visual Studio 2012
you can see that this is a tools that integrate the SQL tools to the VS2012, am I right?

so I think we are talking about diff. topic! I mean what is the SQL data tools from the SQL server 2012 CD for and what is the diff between the one SQL disc provide and this one.
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Jacques Bourgeois (James Burger)PresidentCommented:
As I told you before, I haven't installed such stuff from CD for years, getting them through downloads from Microsoft.

The CD probably provides you with everything, while on a download, the different components and tools are available separately in order to minimize the download time by enabling you not to download stuff that you won't use.

So there is no difference. They are simply different ways to get the same tools.
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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"As I told you before, I haven't installed such stuff from CD for years, getting them through downloads from Microsoft."

yeah, I can recall that

One thing, I think this tools exist for SQL server 2012 as we can't connect to SQL server 2012 SSIS server from SSMS, am I right? so they provide this tools since SQL 2012 as they keep saying they want to line up DBA and developer, agree?
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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
but why we have SQL data tools (VS 2010 shell) and that "SQL data tools - business INtelligence for VS2012"?

that later on only design for VS2012?

can you find the x64 version of SQL data tools - business INtelligence for VS2012 ? I can only find 32 bits version.
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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
I can't connect SSIS via SSMS, can you ? see attached.

when connecting SSIS from SSMS 2012
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Jacques Bourgeois (James Burger)PresidentCommented:
Have you read the error message carefully. You need to run as administrator.
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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
yes I did,

The fact is it doesn't work.

you mean the account runs the SSIS, right?
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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
I run the SQL server 2012 SSIS on Windows 8.1 PC, any known issue like that?
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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"As for Windows 8.1, I cannot say. I searched around on the Microsoft site, but with version 2014 released yesterday, a lot of the links for 2012 bring you to 2014. I've been able to get a few pages stating Windows 8 as a supported system, but nothing with 8.1."

I think there should not be a problem as SSIS by design is secured in this way!

what we have to do is to right click on that SSMS icon and run as administrator, then connect to SSIS.
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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
that one: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh213130(SQL.110).aspx , is not going to work,  I tried last night!
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