wyse networking
someone I work with wants to put a bunch of wyse "dumb terminals" at one of our remote locations. I think they are Wyse C10LE.
I think it is not a good idea because the remote location has a very SLOW connection to our servers. I don't know much about wyse, but I thought that they are very network dependent, so if you have slow network I'm assuming the users will be waiting for everything.
Would this be a correct assumption?
I would just like to know if my concept is correct, I don't think we can get different model's of Wyse devices, and I don't think we can change servers. So I'm not really looking to solve a problem, but mostly to understand the concept behind the Wyse device and if my theory is correct.
I think it is not a good idea because the remote location has a very SLOW connection to our servers. I don't know much about wyse, but I thought that they are very network dependent, so if you have slow network I'm assuming the users will be waiting for everything.
Would this be a correct assumption?
I would just like to know if my concept is correct, I don't think we can get different model's of Wyse devices, and I don't think we can change servers. So I'm not really looking to solve a problem, but mostly to understand the concept behind the Wyse device and if my theory is correct.
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WYSE makes "dumb" terminals which could be used to access RDP and Citrix session where both works extremely well in low bandwidth environments. Also note that the beauty of these units is that they can be used as zero administration off-the-shelf solution where if one is defective, the user can replace it without needing IT assistance (mining companies use them as they keep spares at different locations on sites including underground and no IT intervention required when replacing defective ones).
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Just to make sure that I have the whole bandwidth concept right. For example, if the connection is slow for about 15 users, and you add 10 users, I thought the reasult would be that everybody slows down even more.
Also, even though a Wyse device might have low bandwidth requirements, wouldn't it be that they are constantly using bandwidth? I say this because I thought everything is done on the Wyse server. So wouldn't even moving the mouse take some bandwidth? If that is correct, wouldn't there be a cumulative effect on the bandwidth when using Wyse devices?
For a basic computer, I would imagine that there would be times when it wouldn't use any bandwidth because most of the processing can be done locally.
Also, even though a Wyse device might have low bandwidth requirements, wouldn't it be that they are constantly using bandwidth? I say this because I thought everything is done on the Wyse server. So wouldn't even moving the mouse take some bandwidth? If that is correct, wouldn't there be a cumulative effect on the bandwidth when using Wyse devices?
For a basic computer, I would imagine that there would be times when it wouldn't use any bandwidth because most of the processing can be done locally.
Alright, your original statement was not clear from that standpoint. Is the plan to replace everything with thin clients or to add thin clients to the existing items? Those are two different issues. I assume that the appropriate people are taking this into account.
What is your role in this whole matter?
What is your role in this whole matter?
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they would like to replace just some of the existing computers. I think the ration would be about 30 pc's and 15 Wyse devices
I was working at this location, upgrading existing pc's to windows 7. There is a excel document with the list of pc's we will keep and the pc's that will be replaced.
I don't think the person that is planning on replacing the pc's with Wyse devices, knows a whole lot about the Wyse devices.
I was working at this location, upgrading existing pc's to windows 7. There is a excel document with the list of pc's we will keep and the pc's that will be replaced.
I don't think the person that is planning on replacing the pc's with Wyse devices, knows a whole lot about the Wyse devices.
Yes, those devices connect to a server, but all the work is done on the server. Mainly keystrokes and mouse movements are what would be going back and forth with the thin clients, which are very low bandwidth. So the sum of what the thin clients would use could be far lower than what the current devices uses.
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what about drawing the screen? wouldn't it have to send that as well?
I guess I question how well the Wyse devices work on a slow network because of my experience using them.
At the main office, the people that use them complain that they are slow, and we have a fast network. When I work on one, it does seem to take awhile for the session to start.
Our Wyse devises connect to a citrix server, so when you lauch an application it sets up a citrix environment, once the environment is established it is faster, however, it doesn't seem faster than a computer running the same application. In fact, at times it seems slower even when the session is established.
I guess I question how well the Wyse devices work on a slow network because of my experience using them.
At the main office, the people that use them complain that they are slow, and we have a fast network. When I work on one, it does seem to take awhile for the session to start.
Our Wyse devises connect to a citrix server, so when you lauch an application it sets up a citrix environment, once the environment is established it is faster, however, it doesn't seem faster than a computer running the same application. In fact, at times it seems slower even when the session is established.
Yes, but that is very low bandwidth. The issue with the thin clients could actually be involving the Citrix environment itself. A lot of factors come into play.
What is the role of the person who proposed it, and what is yours?
What is the role of the person who proposed it, and what is yours?
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my role is just that i was upgrading the pc's in the slow office. I know the person who wants to deploy the Wyse devices and wanted to advise her that the network in the slow office is VERY slow.
Before i offered any advise, I wanted to do some fact checking. So from all these comments, I feel like my conscerns are not supported. But I can't help but feel skeptical because of what I have mentioned already. In the main office where I know the network is fast, the Wyse devices seem slow or at least as fast as the pc's.
Unfortunetly I don't have access to the routers, or do I know who would know what kind of connection we have between the offices. I want to say that it is a T1, but I'm not sure.
On top of all of this, for the sake of arguement, lets say it is actually the Citrix environment that is causing the slowness on the Wyse devices. Wouldn't it make sense to avoid Citrix until they fix whatever is causing the slowness?
Before i offered any advise, I wanted to do some fact checking. So from all these comments, I feel like my conscerns are not supported. But I can't help but feel skeptical because of what I have mentioned already. In the main office where I know the network is fast, the Wyse devices seem slow or at least as fast as the pc's.
Unfortunetly I don't have access to the routers, or do I know who would know what kind of connection we have between the offices. I want to say that it is a T1, but I'm not sure.
On top of all of this, for the sake of arguement, lets say it is actually the Citrix environment that is causing the slowness on the Wyse devices. Wouldn't it make sense to avoid Citrix until they fix whatever is causing the slowness?
It is smart to at least observe the environment. But if the thin client environment is having issues, that does need to get looked at before adding more people.
But to start off with, try to see why the connection between the offices is slow. Could be a slow connection at remote office, a poorly done point to point vpn, or several other things.
But to start off with, try to see why the connection between the offices is slow. Could be a slow connection at remote office, a poorly done point to point vpn, or several other things.
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thank you for the help.