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On Thursday morning, a group of gunmen had tried to enter southern Israel through a tunnel from Gaza, the army said eight of the 13 attackers were killed, and Hamas claimed responsibility for the operation.

With no diplomatic progress, Israel resumed airstrikes shortly after the UN’s ceasefire ended.

Israel launches Gaza ground invasion

Palestinians: where is the world now to protect us? <pity>


What do you think should be done, by anyone, regarding this conflict?


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israel-launches-gaza-ground-invasion-2014717192054899505.html
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20 missiles found in UN-run school in Gaza
http://www.timesofisrael.com/20-missiles-found-in-un-run-school-in-gaza/ -  July 17, 2014
“Yet again, Gaza terrorists abuse UN facilities to carry out their violent activities. Hamas and other terror groups are determined to put civilians in harm’s way and will respect nothing in their violent frenzy,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Yigal Palmor

Palestinian UN rep says every missile fired from Gaza at Israel is ‘a crime against humanity’
http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-un-rep-says-every-gaza-missile-a-crime-against-humanity/ - July 14, 2014,
The ambassador said that, by contrast, Israel’s actions follows legal procedures, because the IDF warns Gazan civilians to leave sites and areas before they are bombed.
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Very difficult, because it's not going to be an easy solution.

First stop supporting Israel. Second - at the same time - make it extremely difficult for Arab nations to pour money into Palestine, including Gaza.

The entire region desperately needs a perspective. But so long as people are willing to support violence the conflict will continue because nobody is going to make the first move.

The real problem is that Isreal will not admit that it is really a middle eastern state. They look at themselves as a sort of European/American state. The Arabs don't accept Isreal as one of themselves - although the Jews have been there since ancient times.

Israel plays the holocaust card and the west continues to supply weapons and money, to the extent that one has a total imbalance of forces. The West knows this and forces Israel into a position of not waging a war to end the conflict, because it knows it will be extremely bloody,, but into the ridiculous situation of announcing what it is going to bomb next. The Arabs know that if they launch a war against Israel - to wipe it from the face of the earth - it will not succeed because the west has ensured that Israel has the most modern and deadliest weapons.

The conflict is extremely worrying for both sides. But the supporters of the antagonists have ensured that Israel looses fewer people than are killed on the roads each year, and the Palestinians fewer than die of disease. The morality which accepts such a senario is appalling, but justifies itself knowing that a war would be worse. The alternative of stopping support for the antagonists - and pressurising those who will not stop and enforcing the stoppage is of course very risky. But if it would succeed it would be far better than the situation we have now.
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If I may add to this. I'm rather struck by the similarity of this conflict to Vietnam. In both cases a high-tech army is trying to stop a low rech man-power based insurection. The Israelis have been showing cam fottage taken by drones showing that the places where casualties had occured were in fact empty at the time of the attack. The essential being to destroy property but not life. Very similar to the buring of straw huts after chasing out all the villagers.

The point is that tunnels can simply be dug out again later. The rockets are very low tech and can be simply smuggled in again. The houses can be rebuilt. The only irreplacables are the casualties - and they won't be forgotten by their relatives. The people need an alternative to Hamas. And Israel is not offereing one. Hence the "war" cannot be won.
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There've been so many further developments, this could easily become ongoing discussion evolving through several MQ but for apparent lack of interest other than the above, and at this time I bite tongue, not wanting to appear to be on a podium when there is so much room to leave here for others, and so much of other political interests attracting my time.

IMO it can be won. Just not as a one-sided 'victory', just a feud that can be ended. We did so in Poly-Sci back in college. It just takes people who care, who care enough to bite down on hard choices, for mutual 'victory'.

Closing this one now. [abandoned over 3 days]

It appears at this time that the current version of hostilities may end by end of weekend, thereabouts. US congress on five week vacation, more of that to come. Israel may cease fire again on own once rid of 'known' tunnels.

As there'll likely be more to comment about this, I'll open supplemental MQ if any find some comment to share. At the opening of this Q, for example, there were a certain 4 civilian deaths unresolved (3+1). At closure, there's report of Hamas 'capture' or 'kidnap' of Israeli soldier during flag of cease-fire unresolved.

Done.
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Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan:
[CNN July 24th, 2014]
“You can see that what Israel does to Palestine, to Gaza right now, has surpassed what Hitler did to them.”
“Right now we do accept this persecution, this massacre, this genocide by Israel.”
"Egypt at this moment does not have a sincere approach to the Palestine issue."
"at the moment, I'm all concerned about Palestine, Palestine, Palestine. Because this massacre is seriously disturbing me and making me feel anxious"

[Erdoğan was being promoted as better than Eqypt for resolving conflict towards lasting peace, while running for election]
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He has just been elected with an absolute majority as Turkish president.

He has also stated that women should not laugh in public.
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