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I!!! Need a wireless AP with no controller. Cisco seems be the best. Stand alone
Clint S Jones Jul 15, 2014 at 11:38 PM | WIRELESS
Hey i'm sorry I have neglect this post...

It was budget!

Cisco 2700 is a possible replacement for the 2600, if ever the 2600 is announced as End of Life (However, no EoL/EoS yet on 2600). You can look into the Cisco Aironet 2700 and 3700 for supporting wireless AC. Check this link for a comparison:

I cant afford the conbtroller...

I need a standalone that can do:

"""RF Excellence

Based on 802.11n with 3 x 4 MIMO technology with three spatial streams to sustain 450 Mbps rates over a greater range for more capacity and reliability than competing access points

Cisco ClientLink 2.0 technology for better downlink performance and range for all mobile devices and better battery life on mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets

Cisco CleanAir technology for proactive, intelligent spectrum intelligence to combat performance problems due to RF interference

Limited Lifetime Hardware Warranty, including 10-day advance hardware replacement

Both controller based and standalone version available.

cant beat the interference

the square footage is 1200 sqft and is one store...

any advice please!!!! 1600 only way...

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Fred Ferrell Jul 16, 2014 at 12:46 AM
If you are fighting interference, I would recommend determining the exact cause before you spend a dime on hardware.  Regardless of what you put in, it could still have issues.  

My experience with the 1602s is very good and I highly recommend them over anything else.  I have put in so many and just not had issues.

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liz kowalsky Jul 16, 2014 at 5:57 AM
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Hi. Presented a few options for you: (Note: All from my own tests in our lab and ran for more then 1 month)

1) Cisco Meraki-Cisco in the clouds without a controller. Pros: They host it for you and with that comes nice remote control and very smooth provisioning. Intuitive interface and ease of defining traffic shaping, etc. Cons: Lacks extensive RF tools and you gotta shop around for a cloud license. (units tested MX60W/Z1/MR12)

2) Aruba Networks-Has 3 options;controller/standalone(but clusterable) instant/cloud. Pros: Excellent RF tools, 3 operational modes, high performance throughput with mixed clients, lots of traffic shaping options. Cons: Client station monitoring requires either cloud or airwave licensing and if you run cloud you can't have access to local config but you can convert at any time from one to the other. (units tested: RAP109 and IAP225)

3) Xirrus-Has both cloud and local. Pros:Amazing amount of RF controls and options, XR630 (One I'm currently testing) can handle 240 clients (120 per IAP), 5Ghz legacy clients won't slow .ac clients down, cloud and local can work at the same time. Cons:Easy to crash arrays with too many global filter policies, throughput can be low at times, VLAN issues occasionally.

4) Fortinet-Local only no cloud+CLI. Pros: excellent firewall options (forti "wifi" 60D tested) very secure "locked down by default" config. Cons: TERRIBLE wireless performance. Very low throughput and very frequent disconnects. Major firefox issues to where changing wifi settings bricked the device and it took me a long time to revive it.

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MoDizzy Jul 16, 2014 at 7:44 AM
Ruckus has been best for me with dealing with interference.  Had a filing room with floor to ceiling filing cabinets that got no signal with the aironets they previously had.  Popped in a Ruckus at the same spot as the aeronet.  Not only did I get a signal I was getting 60mbps to the AP.  At home I had 3 Airports to get full coverage because I have my HVAC closet in a really weird place.  One Ruckus had full coverage.  Also deployed in high rises with about 10 different SSIDs in range and it preformed beautifully.

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OmarVR Jul 16, 2014 at 9:01 AM
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Fred Ferrell is right. Do you know exactly what types of interference are present in your environment and from what sources (WiFi and non-WiFi)? If what you have is a very crowded "air" (spectrum) with losts of neighbor WLANs then there's little or nothing an AP could do avoid it. The best thing you could do is to carry out a spectrum analysis firts and foremost, and then move to the 5Ghz band and select the channels with the least utilization.

Cisco APs are excellent but I never go with Aironets for stand alone deployments. In order for you to make the most out of your investment in Cisco's solution you'll need a controller, which doesn't make sense for only one AP.

Now, we'll need more information in order to be able to provide you with any sort of meaningful recommendations. What are your security and management requirements? What sort of applications you'll need to support through WiFi? How many (maximum) client devices will be handled at any given time? What's your CapEx and OpEx budget for this project?

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Clint S Jones Jul 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM
Cause is the Airport I am 2.5 from airport and there is a lot of wireless devices 27 show up here there is no channel I change too! I'm ex air traffic consoled the emissions from airport can cause wireless issues for best buy not enterprise grade devices. I chose - access point dlink was not my choice.

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OmarVR Jul 17, 2014 at 5:45 PM
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Clint S Jones wrote:

Cause is the Airport I am 2.5 from airport and there is a lot of wireless devices 27 show up here there is no channel I change too! I'm ex air traffic consoled the emissions from airport can cause wireless issues for best buy not enterprise grade devices. I chose - access point dlink was not my choice.

Clint,

You definitely need to do an RF site survey to see what sort WiFi and non-WiFi interference you're up against. That means a spectrum analysis for both 2.4 and 5 Ghz bands. No matter if its a Ruckus or D-Link AP, RF is RF no matter what. So don't expect an enterprise-grade AP to work miracles. Assess your RF environment and design accordingly.

Omar

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FelipeAbreu Jul 17, 2014 at 5:56 PM
Maybe have a look at the UniFi range from Ubiquiti Networks, http://www.ubnt.com/

We do use them quite a lot for our large projects. No dedicated controller needed.

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Clint S Jones Jul 17, 2014 at 11:05 PM
! actually not sure how to analysis in Nashville. TN  "If what you have is a very crowded "air" (spectrum) with losts of neighbor WLANs then there's little or nothing an AP could do avoid it. The best thing you could do is to carry out a spectrum analysis firts and foremost, and then move to the 5Ghz band and select the channels with the least utilization."

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Clint S Jones Jul 17, 2014 at 11:08 PM
no dlink have do tag was wanting access point

this is a home office?  1700 sqft one story close to downtown nashville and airport.

so the 1600 series not the way to go?

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that was all off spiceworks!
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A Cisco AP in standalone mode will be absolutely fine but if you want all the bells and whistles without actually 'buying' a controller I'd look at Meraki.  The only things the standalone Cisco AP won't do in terms of beating interference is RRM and CleanAir - you'll have to do that manually.
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I don't want merki its cloud based i have hippa then legality has all in house

if no controller because i need only one AP. Ubiquiti or cisco aironet 1600 series stand alone.

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I have a super guy who negatively putting me down... i responded 2 secs ago here my response what you think.no make no sense!  your telling me the 360 just blst in all directions is no different then?

Entry-level access point for small to midsized organizations, including retail, manufacturing, education, and branch offices Attractive price and performance for migrating to 802.11nUp to six times more capacity to support applications and clients than legacy 802.11a/b/g networks Cisco ClientLink 2.0 for better downlink performance and range and longer battery life on mobile devices Cisco CleanAir Express* for proactive spectrum intelligence to address RF interference problems Limited Lifetime Hardware Warranty, including 10-day advance hardware replacement

Wireless innovation includes:

Cisco ClientLink 2.0 technology Cisco VideoStream technology Cisco Bandselect CleanAir

Meaning it locks on MAC address the beaming technology instead of and beaming unintellectually in a 360 radius but enterprise level locks in and 2 way communication.t can detect the inference - there nothing as of 2014 we our getting there that 100 fool proof but its better than ASUS and Netgear.

I have 2 internet WAN connections - AT&T 10 usable IP's and Comcast 10 usable IP's

AT&T has router and wireless in one and has nust up once.

but had put both bridge mode and let the firewall be guy in charge the wireless is outside the firewall  - the issue.

laptops, iphones and ipads and android all outside firewall we AT&T be the wireless.

I don't controller I have one wireless device I'm company of 7 people -  the source of the interference can not be eliminated.

i have major equipment but i do have wireless monitoring so see the spectrum of strength - online thru the carriers yes! but the airport after 9/11 homeland security and fcc will allow that knowledge. the change their frequency if IFR weather comes into play increasing signal strength.  Clint
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but Meraki-Cisco is cloud based yes! if so what control do have here in house. monitoring, there a device here they control? worried data accessibility. maybe i'm just educate on that device scenario. Rather here from you guys because cisco push there top thing we all know that!
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Spiceworks.

Conversation does understand exactly open makes clearly..

experts-exchange always!!

Clint,

I'm going to be brutally honest with you but only because I really want you to be able to solve your problem and learn a couple of things along the way. First, I'm finding it extremely difficult to understand what you're trying to say. Maybe there's some sort of language barrier but you could try gathering your thoughts a little better before posting. Second, you are fixated on (and constantly repeating) Cisco marketing stuff that you don't seem to have a clue about. CleanAir and ClientLink don't work the way you think they do, period. Furthermore, with only one AP in stand-alone mode any benefit you can get from those technologies will be negligible. Third, the main difference between consumer grade APs and enterprise-grade ones isn't how or where they "shoot" a signal to, it is about management and security features, build quality, performance, and support. There are some APs out there that are more directional in nature but the vast majority have an omni pattern.

Now, with regards to the interference. There could be multiple sources of interference. If you have many neighboring WiFi networks then your throughput will suffer. Short of painting the outer walls with RF shielding paint, the only way around this is to select the channels with less utilization which could mean moving as many client devices as you can to the 5Ghz band.

Non-WiFi sources can be microwaves, cordless phones, lighting ballasts, etc, etc. Another source is radar but you shouldn't worry about that. The reason for that is that in order for an AP to be able to use channels 52 through 116 it most comply with FCC regulations that set limits in terms of power and requires something called Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) so the AP will detect weather radar (TDWR) signals and change frequency to avoid interfering with it. The easiest thing would be to select a channel that doesn't fall within that range.

My advice to you is this: get a Meraki MR18 which an excellent AP and very easy to manage, even for people who don't have much experience with wireless networks. It does spectrum analysis in the background and will give you a pretty close idea of what's going on in your RF environment. Set power to no more than 18 dbm for both radios and leave the channel selection to "Auto". As far as I can gather from this discussion, that is basically your best option.

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Clint S Jones Jul 19, 2014 at 1:50 PM
No language barrier - not sure you respectfully - work myself - took 4 years off as we both know now a days  in 1800 is once century, then once decade, once every years - now we quad our technology every 2 years.

So simplicity for you  I'm not fixated on Cisco.  Cisco happens to have pros and Cons but very established brand.  not looking to wireless software into my own device.  

Specs: 1400 ish SqFt house in a residential neighborhood. everyone has wifi. AT&T is one of their major HQ here and laying fiber and of course co-axial last line.single level home no 2 story.

We are google fiber candidate so trying insure the beat us out so google goes else where. I'm not rural 3 miles from airport and 12 mins from downtown.

Reason mention the carriers we all have speed and airport im ex air traffic controller I know the freq changes and a home-grade not commercial-Enterprise can not function.

no controller stand only - where 7 people. the AT&T router must go into bridge mode so the firewall does it all

The wireless ATT can not behind the firewall because the iphones, ipads and laptops can not print to internal or access exchange!

so clear what i doing messing up?

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Non-WiFi sources can be microwaves, cordless phones, lighting ballasts, etc, etc. Another source is radar but you shouldn't worry about that. The reason for that is that in order for an AP to be able to use channels 52 through 116 it most comply with FCC regulations that set limits in terms of power and requires something called Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) so the AP will detect weather radar (TDWR) signals and change frequency to avoid interfering with it. The easiest thing would be to select a channel that doesn't fall within that range.

Im aware it! FCC and FAA our together. I was top level senior controller - question ever had anything said it do this, or that and didn't.

Well FAA and FCC don't tell everything.

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Clint S Jones Jul 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM
another issue we have credit accounts with 4 companies the don't Meraki MR18 product


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Meraki management is cloud based but the user traffic never goes to the cloud.

Anyway if its just one AP you need go with Cisco or Meraki... They're both Cisco now anyway.
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any help?  cisco 1602 stand alone?
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tigerdirect doesn't carrier it  non controller since it on AP. 1602? ot ?
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Its house:
2200 SqFt
single story
houses are about 400 to 500 feet from each other.
but no reason to get to it.

I need something powerful - Enterprise  level not best buy netgear or asus they go up and down a lot.

now the ATT wireless has not went down once but I cant use it.

Why its not on;y wireless but the main carrier that is going into bridge mode behind the firewall and have comcast too.
They will behind firewall.

Kerio 8.3.1

So i want the AP after firewall and compatible subnet
or same.

10 usable IPs both carriers fir the servers.

Sorry as you read: someone is thinking I am about marketing something lol.

no I something for me. Now texting! it leaves a bit like human factor.

not suck on cisco but there kinda the leader but there others

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Clint S Jones Jul 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM
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what taking about...

marketing???  what i'm marketing i'm worry about me. not marketing anything!!!

I dont care about marketing i'm finding solution for me.  How did even come across or how implied  

i'm not suck on cisco but there used many places like hospitals to schools. They use cisco but there is I just have not used them. So how do I know???

Reason for this site?

Meraki-Cisco??? There device too but I saw yes there physical and second the other is cloud.

Understand all things will be cloud and rest is situational based where cloud is going to work.and not!

Was also looking at this!!! As well.

Aruba

http://cloud.arubanetworks.com/products/instant-224-225

Instant 224/225 

Just tell me only one part the wireless. Enterprise level and has anti-inference and will as most disruption as possible - AT&T has been place wireless router as gone not once since june first. now Ausus and net gear separately went up down all the time.

Now I do know what MIMO and rest do and understand the technology  

Thanks, Clint
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I got the Ubiquiti UniFi Pro Enterprise WiFi System - UAP-AC works perfectly and the price is even better.  No licensing, No buying a Controller because it comes with a software based one for free with all the bells and whistles.  

Thanks for everyones help.
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