Public Servants Protect & Serve Public Interest?

Posted on 2014-08-03
Last Modified: 2014-12-17

How much faith have you in your public servants?

Cornered by eleven of NY's finest, another habitual criminal successfully subdued without either gunfire, or use of choke hold, or need for EMT who were among them on the scene.

Then again,

passerby had camera, made audio where others heard "I can't breathe" 11 times. And part of it had this, and more:
Caution, suspicion of possession of a single cigarette can be hazardous to your health
“[Garner] tried to break up the fight — the two guys fighting, they saw the cops coming and walked away,” said Valencia Griffin, who saw the confrontation. Mr. Garner was the only one still on the sidewalk moments later when the police walked up.
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    Ruled a Murder
    NYPD pursued the suspect and when the Medical examiner ruled Eric Garner's death a homicide, officers successfully arrested Ramsey Orta, 22, and his wife Chrissie Ortiz, 30. The New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, the largest union representing NYPD officers, said in a statement that it was "criminals like Mr. Orta who .. stand to benefit the most by demonizing the good work of police officers."
    Court records show that within the past two years, three men sued Daniel Pantaleo — the plainclothed officer seen wrapping his arm around Garner's neck — over allegedly unlawful, racially motivated arrests. Garner was black.

    Without shooting guns, officers also able to protect a woman from herself:
    Police Brutality: California Highway Patrol Officer Beats Black Woman Senseless On Side Of Freeway

    Then again

    Can any explain to me rules of engagement in Albuquerque?
    Homeless man successfully handcuffed after several shots in his back killed him.

    Deliberate "Dumbing Down" PD
    Test scores are now used to assure that police do NOT have above average intelligence. This is being upheld in court since it is said to be appled equally. PD reasoning that if they hire smart person, they will eventually find some other job. It also means that police will be: .. less able to understand rules, more corruptible, less likely to care to improve self, and less physically fit (fitness/exercise improves intelligence) - hence, they'd best like donuts, huh, and be generally dumber than most citizens with a working brain. So .. saying a cop is 'dumb' is merely reporting a fact that they should be proud of.

    Death of Handcuffed Louisiana Man Shot In Chest Ruled a Suicide
    "handcuffed man shot in back" after being searched twice - August 26, 2014 by Damisi
    State police claim that in March, 22 year old Victor White III of Louisiana shot himself in the back while handcuffed and seated in the backseat of a squad car. That’s interesting, because a recent autopsy shows that the gunshot went entered through his chest, pierced his left lung and heart and exited through his back from under his armpit. Yet the same coroners who performed the autopsy, still rule White’s death a suicide.

    Pretty amazing feat to pull while your arms are handcuffed behind you, huh? That would technically make him better than Houdini…

    Handcuffed Black Youth Shot Dead In Back of Cop Car; Officer Alleges Suicide - August 1, 2012
    A young African-American man in Jonesboro, AR died of a gunshot wound to the head while handcuffed in the back of a patrol car.

    Chavis Carter was arrested for alleged drug possession and for missing a court date on previous drug charges.

    Sergeant Lyle Waterworth of the Jonesboro police department claims that despite having been searched and handcuffed before being placed inside of the squad car, Carter somehow managed to shoot himself in the head.

    Levar Jones shooting: South Carolina trooper charged in death - September 25, 2014 - Associated Press
    COLUMBIA, S.C. –  A South Carolina state trooper's dashboard video shows an unarmed driver being shot just seconds after he was stopped for a seatbelt offense — and the trooper, who was fired last week, has now been charged with assault.
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    Many do. Some don't. All are human, and expectations should fit the curve. IMO, the only social problem is in possible (or 'likely'?) uneven punishment consequences.

    What I don't get are the seeming high percentage of unpunished or under-punished incidents. But I don't actually have statistics on how evenly punishments are handed out. We seem to hear most often about cases where punishment is trivial or non-existent. That makes some sense because those are what makes for news.

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    > the only social problem
    Late of news is whether grand jury system has value

    > Garner choking
    Latest - no indictment

    > Cleveland 'toy pistol'
    Latest - shooter had prior record of being fired, unfit, untrainable, too 'wild' -- label of 'homicide'

    One difference is that typical headline used to be more a quick - crime report, criminal caught, criminal found guilty, criminal sentenced, done. (generally, of course)

    Now it reads more of foreign places, continuing display of public dissatisfaction, continuing lethargy of 'system' to react/change 'acceptably'. If there've been prior demonstrations as long lasting, or having more wider national support, I do not recollect. Likely its the video on the internet directly contradicting reports from their 'system'. Or as chief prosecutor declared: "the problem is social media" (deaths? facebook/twitter/messaging/email kills?)

    > Many do.
    Among them, (I think a televised cops or caught on camera) a knife wielder approached from two sides, talked down, seemed both sides had period of 'too close. The person seemed agitated, Finally put knife down on table, when they moved in he grabbed knife again and looked to be agitated and charging, then later, dropped knife and it did not take long for one officer to get him handcuffed, others in the ready.

    Patience can be a virtue (as well as accountability).

    TY, done now
    time to move on

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