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VMware vSphere Data Protection 5.5.6 or Veeam Backup and Replication?

Hi,

My company currently only has about 50 VM's total, 35 at Site A and 15 at Site B.  They are currently using Veeam Backup and Recovery for their Backup Solution for VM's.  Veeam is working perfectly fine in the environment with no complaints.

I recently deployed VMware vSphere Data Protection 5.5.6 and have been testing it out in the environment.  The new version seems pretty stable and performs well.

What does everyone think about these 2 products?  Pro's, Con's, which one do you prefer, etc...?

Our main concern is basically wanting to be able to do Backups of VM's, Recover VM's if needed, Recover files from VM's if needed, and then being able to Replicate from one site to another.

Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Veeam Backup and Replication is the WINNER here, there is no comparison between Veeam Backup and Replication and VDP.

VDP is still work in progress, it's slow, it does not do replication (without additional money), you may need to upgrade at more money for Advanced....

It checks the repository every day, which can be slow, it fails, and you have to build another repository, and then VMware Support are out of their depth, and have to escalate you to EMC support, to fix it or not!

VDP, does what it says on the tin - JUST!

Having to recommend between Veeam and VDP, Veeam wins every time!

(as for stable, wait until, you get 3 months in, with a 2-3TB repository!)

about the only benefit I can see is:

1. It comes with VMware for free (well you can debate that, if it's free or not, depending upon license!)
2. It's kind of integrated with vCenter Server.....

Try and work out what backup has failed is poor!!!!!
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LumiousAuthor Commented:
Hi,

Haha it's funny how you "Andrew Hancock" is the one that always responds to my questions, glad to have a dedicated expert on here.

So I guess it seems that Veeam wins this battle even though VDP "seemed" so good...Glad to know though.

My last question, I should have put it in the original is dedicated towards Veeam.  When doing backups, the company has it set to Incrementals.  I'm fairly new to their organization as well, just wanted to throw that in there.  When I've been with previous companies, they've had it set to "Reverse Incrementals".

What do you all prefer for the type of backups Veeam does?  Incrementals, Reverse Incrementals, Differentials, etc..?

Also consider when restoring a VM from Veeam, if it's easier with Incrementals, Reverse Incrementals, Differentials, etc...?

If you want me to start up another question I can do that as well since I forgot to add this to the Title of the original question.

Thanks
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Haha it's funny how you "Andrew Hancock" is the one that always responds to my questions, glad to have a dedicated expert on here.

That's because I'm the Best!!!! and have a big head....!!! I also like helping VMware/Virtual EE Members, and that's the passion!

:-)

We prefer to use Reverse Incrementals because Veeam Supports them and they are faster at Restore..., and we have observed many use Incrementals, because they do not understand what a Reverse Incrementals is....

Most of the time, when you want to restore a file, it will be from the previous nights backup....

if you use inc. backups and need to restore a file from a different night, the restore process has to sort through all the backups, to restore the file, that was not in the previous nights backup.

Reverse Incremental builds a synthetic backup every night....there fore Restoring VMs and Files can be done very quickly....

So it comes done to Restore!
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LumiousAuthor Commented:
Hi,

I guess I will be changing their Incrementals to Reverse Incrementals next week.

My last question, I swear, haha, would you recommend me just changing the options on the Backup Jobs that are currently set to Incrementals to Reverse Incrementals?  Or should I create new Backup Jobs and set them to Reverse Incrementals?

I believe you can just change them on the fly, not entirely sure though.

Any thoughts?

Thanks
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
what we usually do with clients to go from Incrementals to Reverse Incrementals , we would create new test, jobs, on some test VMs, to familiarise yourself with Reverse Incrementals.

e.g. backup and restore over a few weeks, and when you are happy, then start creating more jobs, and replace new jobs in favour of your old jobs....
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Black_FlagCommented:
I think VDP has making a lot of strides when it hit version 5.5 it was actually pretty solid product.  I used it for a little bit before we went to Avamar and ended up liking it after we got to 5.5.  I used Veeam a little bit, it was just ok....the simplicity of VDP is what I liked the most about it.
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LumiousAuthor Commented:
Hi,

Black Flag:
- Yeah that's what I was seeing on version 5.5.  It's pretty solid and worked like a charm for backing up, restoring from backup (full OS or individual files), and then replication from one VDP to another VDP.  I've used Veeam my whole career with the companies I've been with and it's alright.  Then when I saw VDP 5.5 and tested it out, my first reaction was, "why do we need Veeam anymore"?

But again, according to "Andrew Hancock", there are negatives towards VDP as mentioned in his previous posts in this thread.

I mean do you think it's worth sticking it out for VDP 5.5 or just staying with Veeam?

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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
How long have you both seriously used VDP for ?

(and to add insult to injury, we will be putting in another call, to VMware Support/EMC to fix a client's Repo store, which has become corrupted, and Integrity Check has failed!!!)

(and the first version that VMware launched was VDR, which was rubbish!).

Black Flag states, used it a little bit, and went to Avamar - why ?

VDP does not perform the functions for AD, SQL, Exchange, there's no SureLab, Backup to tape, No restore required, run VMs from Backup, and then there's DR, Replication, Failover and FallBack....

You cannot compare the two products....if you look at all the features!

VMware should leave Backup and Restore to the Experts!
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Black_FlagCommented:
I used VDP on version 5.1 all the way up until version 5.5.   There's reasons why we went to AVAMAR...basically for DR purposes.  How we had VDP setup was just backing up files to our local san with nothing being replicated to our DR site.  Obviously this is not a viable solution in case of a disaster....plus it was using a TON of our SAN storage to backup stuff.  With Avamar it's basically having a dedicated san system which keeps most of the I/O on it's side since it's only reading from the san now and writes to itself...and then when done automatically replicates to our DR site.   I would recommend this strategy.  You can do the same sort of thing with VDP if you replicate your luns to a dr site, but it's still going to cause tons of network traffic and I/O ...obviously we don't want that.

There's my 2 cents.
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Black_FlagCommented:
And actually Hancock - VDP did have plugins for SQL and Exchange.  Are you familiar with the product at all?  I thought the plugins both worked great when I used them.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
I am, it's rubbish compared to Veeam!

(and you are referring to VDP Advanced! which is additional money!)

VDP & VDPA (Advanced are two different products), and of course VDP is upgrade able to Advanced mode....paying more money....

and it's certainly no threat compared to Veeam or many other third party products at present such as Unitrends or AppAssure.

VMware Administrators use it because it comes with the product, would I changed from Veeam to VDP, if I owned and used both - no!

If that's what I was given as  VMware Administrator, would I use it of course, for a Backup Application.

If I was to compare and purchase a backup solution for VMware, would I purchase VDP, - no, there are better alternatives.
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Black_FlagCommented:
Geezus - i'm not fighting with you....never said it was any better than veeam.  I just gave my 2 cents on what I thought about the product.
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