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Who really was the King in Isaiah 7:1 ?

Jotham or Ahaz?

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TropicalBoundCommented:
I would have to say it is Ahaz.  The NASB says, "Now it came about in the days of Ahaz......".  2 Kings 15:38 says that Jotham died and Ahaz, his son, became King in his place.
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hidrauAuthor Commented:
Isaiah 7

And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.

When the war happened, who was in the fight against Rezin and Pekah? Ahaz or Jothan?

According to 2 king tells that was Jothan
2 Kings mentions that Jotham fought wars against Rezin, king of the Arameans, and Pekah, king of Israel (15:37).

That is my doubt.
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TropicalBoundCommented:
I see where this is confusing.  In every translation available to me, 2 Kings 15:37 says In those days the LORD BEGAN to send Rezin king of Aram and Pekah the son of Remaliah against Judah.  So, perhaps they were mounting their armies, but didn't actually attack until after Jotham's death.

Just a thought.
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hidrauAuthor Commented:
Yeah, I wander if it is possible to find something in Talmud on this, do you know something? Maybe WaterStreet can help us. I don't know if he is still participating on EE.
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PerarduaadastraCommented:
The king in question is undoubtedly Ahaz. The NIV and ESV translations make this clearer, but in any case the text says, "In the days of Ahaz..." and what follows is an abbreviated genealogy that only goes back to Ahaz's grandfather.
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hidrauAuthor Commented:
When the sign was given in Isaiah 7:14, Who was the king Ahaz or Jothan ? A friend of mine told me that when the sign was given, the king was in the power was still Jothan. He appoint the II King 15:32-37 to support his opinion.
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PerarduaadastraCommented:
In Isaiah 7:14 the king was certainly Ahaz; Isaiah was responding to Ahaz's refusal to ask the Lord for a sign, and included the whole house of David (essentially, the kingdom of Judah) in the Lord's giving of a sign by using the plural form of "you" in that verse.

I don't see how 2Ki15:32-37 supports your friend's opinion. This passage records that Jotham became king of Judah two years after Pekah became king of Israel, and that the Lord began to send both Israel and Aram against Judah during that time. At first this probably took the form of various raids and incursions during Jotham's reign, but the siege of Jerusalem by Pekah and Rezin was a major event that definitely didn't take place until Ahaz was king as 2Ki16:5 records, and this is the context in which the prophecy of Isa7:14 was given. Chapter 7 opens by stating that Ahaz was king when the kings of Israel and Aram came calling, and it was the fear in Judah engendered by this alliance against it that resulted in Isaiah being commanded by the Lord to meet Ahaz at the end of the aqueduct of the Upper Pool on the way to the Washerman's Field and deliver God's message. Jotham was not present because he was dead! 2Ki15:38 states that Ahaz did not become king until his father had died, so there is absolutely no doubt that Ahaz was king of Judah at the time that the prophecy and sign were given.
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hidrauAuthor Commented:
thanks very much
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PerarduaadastraCommented:
My pleasure.
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