Notice anything going on Re: Ferguson,_MO 'standoff'?

Posted on 2014-08-18
Last Modified: 2014-08-24
Ferguson Protests Day #9

1 - Notice anything going on Re: Ferguson,_MO 'standoff'?

1a) Which do you think are contributing more to peace: local citizens or law enforcement?

1b) Which do you think more exarcerbating situation: politicians or media?,_MO

Any/all comments welcome.
Question by:SunBow
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    by:Dave Baldwin
    This quote from the first article has applied to almost all of the riots in the last 50 years.
    "The crowd shifts substantially about 8 p.m. A lot of the family people, and people here for legitimate protest reasons, leave. The people who are here for mayhem, confusion and chaos come out."
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    Similar: Observed tonight was shift circa 10PM where prior night had midnight curfew,. National Guard added earlier, more media attention after 9PM. It is now Day 10.
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    In the last decade or so, the city’s composition has changed dramatically. It has gone from being a city that was fairly closely split between African Americans and whites – 52% and 44% of the population respectively in 2000 – to 67% African American today.

    And yet, as other news outlets have noted, the city government is still overwhelmingly white – including the mayor and 5 of six city council members. What’s behind that discrepancy?

    One reason may have to do with who votes in city elections. There are about 15,000 residents who are 18 or older in Ferguson, and only about 1,350 votes were cast in April’s mayoral election, in which Mayor James Knowles III was unopposed.

    There were about 1,500 votes cast in the last city council race in 2013. In 2011, one city councilman won his seat with a grand total of 72 votes.

    Those racial divides in the power structure extend to the police department as well, where only three of 53 officers are African American.

    In many ways Ferguson is an example of how the nation’s suburbs are changing. As suburban cities diversify racial and ethnically, urban phenomena like white flight have expanded outward as well. Ferguson has seen its white population decline by about 40% since 2000.

    From via WSJ and I think it says all.
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    Last week, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul wrote a pointed response to the crisis developing in Ferguson, Missouri: “If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot.” He went on to criticize the militarization of the police and the racial injustices of the American legal system. As Paul put it, “Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention.”

    With many saying County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch can’t handle the case fairly,
    Attorney Accuses Gov. Nixon of Fueling Tensions in Ferguson  Local - Kevin Killeen - August 21, 2014

    McCulloch and unions for city and county police previously criticized use of highway patrol, and blamed Johnson and Nixon personally, while both Johnson and Nixon praised local police. National Guard added, but only for Command Center, not ground zero or the front lines. The curfew did not last but the no-fly zone did - for media, not gendarms.

    Having seen much of the footage live, play by play, I cared to suggest a variety of 'issues' raised, worthy discussion, such as their underreporting crime/arrests, but I think you are on target for main subject, where there can be underlying disease/problem, then again the symptoms. Treating symptoms can help one feel a little better, for awhile, but not cure actual ailment, As such, I intended to close this and reopen as a subsequent MQ, but I'd like to use quote heard from person, closer to 'ground zero', re: more recent shootings as basis. [aside: then phone went out followed by outage of television, got own 'problems' to figure how to manage better]

    Dave Baldwin:
    My observation seemed similar to yours, for a bit, if you/we mean general time being shortly after dark and 'confusion' to come from both sides of line. Then actual timing had some differences, quote from uniformed one: "... you f_ing animal". I'm a little glad (I think) media acted like in ignorance of the that. I'm not well recalling durations for prior 'protests'. You? There seems much less out of the NYPD 'choking' incident.

    By now there should have been some news on grand jury involvement and AG Holder presence.

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    Suicide by Cop

    Man walks into store, swipes can of soda, placing on curb.
    Same reenters store, steals another can of soda, places on curb.
    Man asks passersby if they want to buy a soda.
    Passerby says don't do it, man.
    Passerby says, this ain't the way to do it, man.
    Squad pulls up, two officers exit, armed with taser, take aim with lethal weapons instead, one from behind car door, other behind car, moving in.
    Man circles police, saying "Shoot me" from over 10 feet away.
    Several shots ring out, then more shots.
    “Oh, here we go again," the narrator of the video says. “They just killed this man.”
    "Now they cuffing him, he already dead"
    "OMG, they still holdin their gun out, the man is dead"
    Backup arrives.
    "He didn't have a gun or nuthin'"
    "OMG, this is crazy"
    "They could have tased him, or shot him in leg, they just shot him repeatedly"
    "C'mon, over here, man, get away from there"
    Body promptly removed, scene roped off

    Video emerges in St. Louis fatal police shooting - August 20 - By JAMES QUEALLY
    A  disturbing cellphone video of a St. Louis police shooting has sparked some concern as protests in nearby Ferguson over the controversial killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown entered an 11th day.

    After the shooting, St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said Powell had advanced toward the officers with a knife held overhead in a "threatening manner." The video is shot from too far away to tell whether that is accurate.

    Both officers have been placed on administrative leave, according to Dotson, who seemed to suggest their actions were justified.

    “If a person is charging you with a knife and they’re within 3 or 4 feet, that’s a lethal range for a knife," he said Tuesday during a news conference.

    Dotson also said witnesses had told police they believed Powell was trying to commit "suicide by cop."

    St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay has reached out to black community leaders and the local chapter of the NAACP. Slay also met with Powell's grandmother and offered his condolences, the mayor said on Twitter on Wednesday.

    St. Louis Alderman Antonio French, who has been one of the most visible faces of the protests in Ferguson, has said the St. Louis officers' actions may have been justified. He warned residents not to link Powell's killing to Brown's.

    "There's a difference between an armed man yelling, 'Kill me, Kill me,' and an unarmed teenager reportedly with his hands up in the air," French wrote on Twitter.
    St. Louis Police Release Graphic Video of Shooting of Kajieme Powell near Ferguson, Mo. - Published on Aug 20, 2014
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    Main difference between this (N St Louis) and nearby Ferguson said to be more trust, relationship, response in/with government/authorities in the bigger city.

    Observation: local police in this case promptly providing information, promptly responsive to questions, reports, action, where Ferguson provided lack of responsiveness, leaving body in street nearly five hours, lack of interviewing witnesses or filing reports. Ferguson detaining  citizens, arresting reporters and elected officials, failing to record that either, using five or more enforcement agencies - and more - insulting many others, including members of US military, current and veteran.

    Thus it occurred to me that while more could be said,  BigRat fairly nailed it. Still - over two weeks later. Perhaps after funeral (tomorrow?)

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