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install W8.1 problem

hello, i run the install froom an USB stick, and get this problem :
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this happens on my PC  running W7 - 64 bit; using a seagate disk 500 GB

suggestions for solving it?
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Chad FranksCommented:
from your pic, It looks like you already have a partition created? Device 0 Partition 1?
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noxchoCommented:
To install there Windows you need first to delete existing partition and then show to the install wizard the free space. 8.1 tries to create a 300MB partition and a system partition. And of you are using UEFI the. The whole drive must be empty.
Note, deleting first partition will delete the data on it as. So copy out the data first.
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nobusAuthor Commented:
to all : i deleted 2 partitions ( from a previous W7 install) then created NEW partition - and it will not continue...

>>  The whole drive must be empty  <<  can you show me a MS document  proving this??  i never heard that before...
also - on another PC it installed directly - no problems - without emptying the disk
data is of no concern

but now it asks for a password to start up - i never put one in ? ? ?
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Alan HendersonCommented:
This is normal.

Select Partition 1 as you have in the image, then click on 'Format'.
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noxchoCommented:
Are you using UEFI? This can be checked via BIOS, is it enabled there?
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nobusAuthor Commented:
disregard "but now it asks for a password to start up - i never put one in ? ? ? << found it

i tried format, delete partition, New - all to no avail

and i can add it is NOT normal since it does not happen on my older PC (MBR)

noxcho - it is uefi   -- what do you mean with this in "This can be checked via BIOS, is it enabled there? "
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noxchoCommented:
I meant there are motherboards which have an option to enable UEFI or disable it. So called Hybrid UEFI support BIOSes.
In Advanced settings usually.
Can you connect this drive to another machine as slave and check if the drive is GPT?
If it is GPT and there was once Windows installed then you need first to erase the HDD. It is Microsoft limitation that you cannot install more than one Windows OS onto GPT. And if the drive had already Windows and you simply deleted its partition - the new installation would think that previous OS were still there. It seems like the first OS installation info is written someone on the HDD (start or end).
HDD cloning software has the same problem. If you clone HDD0 to HDD1 and keep both drive in system most often they both fail to start.
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nobusAuthor Commented:
noxcho - as said it is an old W7 drive -so NTFS
the PC that works has no UEFI - the one that does not work is UEFI
>>  the new installation would think that previous OS were still there.  <<  that's why i deleted the system and OS partition; leaving recovery and tools - - - - - - > but why does it work flawless on an MBR board???
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noxchoCommented:
Because MBR drive allows multiple Windows OS installation. And UEFI allows only one Windows on one drive.
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nobusAuthor Commented:
that looks like an explanation; so if i get this right, if i wipe the whole disk it works?
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noxchoCommented:
Yes, should work then. If you need those recovery partitions just backup them to external drive. Then wipe this drive and try to install.
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joinaunionCommented:
Is this a 64bit 8.1 OS?
This tutorial may be of help to you.
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/15458-uefi-bootable-usb-flash-drive-create-windows.html
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nobusAuthor Commented:
i believe this answers my question
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joinaunionCommented:
That is not correct. You may want to give these tutorials a shot.
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2344-dual-boot-installation-windows-8-windows-7-vista.html

Note the links in the warning box.
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nobusAuthor Commented:
it seems after all it can be done; i'll ask a mod to reopen this
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noxchoCommented:
I disagree. Have you read the content in the link you've posted? If yes then answer me a question: how does it differ from the statement I posted several times above?
The link in warning box which refers to UEFI says - delete all partitions on the drive!
Otherwise the system will not be able to convert the drive into GPT which is the basic partitioning style for UEFI system. And as said - UEFI won't allow you installing more than one version of Windows on one HDD.
Pcheck it again: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/186875-uefi-unified-extensible-firmware-interface-install-windows-7-a.html
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nobusAuthor Commented:
noxcho -i don't see how you can have w7 and w8 on 1 drive - if you have to delete all partitions
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noxchoCommented:
The link says nothing about UEFI and multiboot. It is referring to MBR Legacy BIOS . For UEFI they recommend to follow the links. With UEFI and GPT you will not go further than step 8.
If you disable UEFI then you can do multiboot.
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nobusAuthor Commented:
after rereading; it seems i was a bit fast -  it does not explicitly say 2 OS on the same disk
so for now - we can leave the assigned answer as is
unless joinaunion has more to say ??
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rindiCommented:
From what I've read so far, you can dual boot Windows from one GPT disk. But to install the 2nd OS you need to run the setup from the already installed Windows, and not boot from the installation media. But as I can't try this out myself (I don't have any PC with UEFI mainboard), I don't really know whether that is true.

A further option would be, provided your Windows 7 version is Windows 7 Ultimate, would be to install it to a VHD file instead of into a partition on the Disk. You can then boot Windows 7 Ultimate directly from the VHD file (it's the same type of file used for the virtual disks in HyperVisors).
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noxchoCommented:
Rindi, it will fail. It is a limitation of UEFI at the monent. The information about existing OS is kept in specific GUID format on the hdd and attempt to install new one will be detected.
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joinaunionCommented:
Why do people ask if I've read anything in the links I provided.

When they themselves don't read it.

Your both missing the point. The win7 OS is already installed so you must use DISK MANAGEMENT clearly outlined in the tutorial.
 
The UEFI tutorials are for starting from scratch.

So extend the partition using disk management. Now install win8 on the new partition created.

Do Not create the partition during setup . Clearly stated in the tutorial.

Final comment." Peace out".
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nobusAuthor Commented:
hey guys -i'll take a disk, install w7 on it  -and try then to install W8 - on my UEFI pc
that should clear things up i guess
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noxchoCommented:
You tried it already :) at the very beginning and got a message - which you posted in your original question.
#joinaunion, look their screenshots and text description, the guide is for MBR disk and legacy BIOS.
UEFI creates 3 primary partition slots on HDD and nobus has there already two primary partitions. Means the drive needs to be GPT. And here comes a problem.
But yes, try it nobus. :)
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nobusAuthor Commented:
that was not quite the same - now i'll install W7 - then W8
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nobusAuthor Commented:
well - i had no trouble install win7 and 8 on the same disk with this procedure :
i booted from usb on my asus P8B75-VM system with UEFI Bios
1-install W7 on disk -MBR partition !
2-shrink partition to make space
3-install w8
at boot it gave the option to choose Win 7 or Win 8
so, to me it seems that noxcho's comment "The link says nothing about UEFI and multiboot. It is referring to MBR Legacy BIOS . For UEFI they recommend to follow the links. With UEFI and GPT you will not go further than step 8.
 If you disable UEFI then you can do multiboot.

is not correct
comments please ?
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rindiCommented:
But now you are using an MBR and not a GPT disk. According to noxcho you can't install a Windows Dual boot to a GPT disk.
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nobusAuthor Commented:
my original question was not about GPT disk - mbr disk
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noxchoCommented:
I was wrong partially and correct partially. You can do multiboot on GPT drives if you install Windows from scratch. In this case the drive will be done GPT by default. Secure Boot must be disabled. And the drive will remain GPT as well. You need to point it to free unallocated space which will be partitioned by Windows. I got it tested as well now.
But if I pre-partition the volume for second Windows installation - it will not go through.

With the original question from nobus: why cannot install on MBR disk.
You can install if you delete all partitions from the drive - was suggested. And it was correct answer.
What could cause the problem? You have had on the drive 2 partitions and Windows 7 installation reserves 3 primary partition slots for installation where UEFI used. Only two are actually visible but if you look into MBR you see that three are taken. So MBR drive can have only 4 primary partitions and the installation process cannot convert the drive into GPT on the fly if it has already partitions on it. This was your problem imo.
So my apologies for insisting on my correctness to joinaunion.
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nobusAuthor Commented:
it is NOT a GPT drive - its an mbr
and i want ot install on the 1st listed, 400 Gb partition

can you shwo me a link to the uefi using  3 primary partitions, noxcho??  it seems a lot...
just wanting to understand, and right now  - i don't
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noxchoCommented:
Hi nobus,
have a look on a screen shot of newly installed Windows 7 x64bit on GPT drive. I installed Windows on empty drive by pointing it to unallocated space. In Windows you will see only 2 partitions (EFI and System) but in Hard Disk Manager you will see three of them.
Also here is a link to read more about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Reserved_Partition
HDM.jpg
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nobusAuthor Commented:
noxcho - tx for the explanation, it becomes a bit cleare now; but since i was installing on an mBR drive, there is no question of the MSRP
in short, not everything is told yet - i've got still things to learn it seems
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noxchoCommented:
You were trying to install it onto MBR but using UEFI. And UEFI was trying to convert the drive into GPT. That is the explaining imho.
If you delete all partitions from MBR drive and try it again - the drive will be converted to GPT automatically in case UEFI is used. I did several tests yesterday and today on ESX5.5 VM with UEFI boot configured.
Look the error message - we could not create a partition or use existing one. As the drive has already 3 partitions it could not prepare the drive for EFI and MSR partitions.
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nobusAuthor Commented:
i did it on another mbr drive - it stayed mbr  - not converted
there is still a lot not explained
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noxchoCommented:
Another MBR - was it under UEFI?
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nobusAuthor Commented:
on the same PC - i tried it for the test of w7 - W8
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noxchoCommented:
Are you sure it is MBR? How do you check if it is MBR or GPT? Diskpart.exe?
And did you change anything in BIOS since it failed to install on another drive?
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nobusAuthor Commented:
because ALL my old disks are MBR
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noxchoCommented:
Was the drive completely unallocated before you performed the install? Or was it having 3 primary partitions on it already. I mean the drive which you say dual boot was done on successfully under UEFI.
Pls check in DiskPart. what type is used on this drive?
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