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Hello,

I've tried a few video editing programs (just briefly as I am a beginner) and came to the following conclusion:

- The feature that I'm mostly interested in is to cut a video, to delete a few scenes, ... and then to join the video back together (maybe in a different order).
  In other words I'm not 'really' editing the video, I'm just 'cutting' it a bit before putting it back together.

- AVS4YOU.com, for example, offers two different programs for video editing:

     1) 'AVS Video Editor'
         http://www.avs4you.com/AVS-Video-Editor.aspx

     2) and 'AVS Video ReMaker'
         http://www.avs4you.com/AVS-Video-ReMaker.aspx

- For what I'm looking for, 'AVS Video ReMaker' seems to be much better. It doesn't have lots of video editing features, ... but it allows users to cut, delete scenes and put the movie back together.
  From what I have read, most video editing programs rely on 'reconversion', ... which lessens the quality of the output file/video.

  'AVS Video ReMaker' doesn't use 'reconversion'. As far as I understood, .vob and .mpeg are the same thing. And 'AVS Video ReMaker' simply takes these .vob/.mpeg files, cuts them and puts them back together,
  ... which means the picutre quality stays is identical to the original as no real conversion takes place. Throughout the process the files stay in .vob/.mpeg.

  'AVS Video Editor', on the other hand, first converts the video from .vob to .vep, ... and then again from .vep to .mpeg.  

- Here's what AVS4YOU writes about 'AVS Video ReMaker': "Cut, delete unwanted parts, change scene sequence in MPEG, AVI, DVD, Blu-ray, WMV, etc. with AVS Video ReMaker. Save videos without reconversion."



Question 1: Does anyone know a similar program to 'AVS Video ReMaker' that does not use 'reconversion'? The only reason I'm NOT using 'AVS Video ReMaker' is, because the cuts in the filal video are slightly off
            (compared with what you see while editing the video, ... which is annoying).


Question 2: Does anyone know of some other video editing software that would preserve the picture quality to a very high level. I want cut the videos while loosing as little picture quality (and as few
features) as possible.



Many thanks in avance,

HA
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What is the format of the video you wish edit/cut/splice HA.
Vobs?
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Thanks Merete, it's .vob (720x576pixels)
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Thanks HA,  720x576 is a DVD standard video scale.
if you save the cut piece with same (720x576 pixels) does this give you a different quality?
The only reason I'm NOT using 'AVS Video ReMaker' is, because the cuts in the final video are slightly off
Do you mean the sound is off slightly?
Not in sync?
One of the reasons is that the block size of the Video encoding is different than that of the Audio. This can lead to dynamic  (Out Of Sync).
Take a look at this guide and see if you can improve your cut steps, there's probably different methods, also remember to let your system catchup if it's a slow performance.
AVS Video Remaker - take parts of a video out - Video Tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKl5asXDIj4
How to split video using AVS Video ReMaker?
http://www.avs4you.com/guides/How-to-split-video-using-AVS-Video-ReMaker.aspx

mpeg cutter, sorry it's not free either but inkeeping with no reconversion.
http://www.boilsoft.com/videosplitter/mpeg-splitter.html
http://www.boilsoft.com/videosplitter/
Vob Splitter free, but never tried it
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/VOB-Splitter.shtml
Edit VOB (VOB Editor, Cut VOB)
http://www.softpedia.com/hubs/Edit-VOB

There are many professional/easy tools that will split an mpeg2 that wont change the quality when you use the same video scale 720x576 and use a high definition quality 1080 in the export but may not offer to save in this mpeg2 rather MP4 >mpeg4  
All video editors offer different export formats.
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Thanks Merete!

MERETE  wrote:
...if you save the cut piece with same (720x576 pixels) does this give you a
                    different quality?
                   I think the pixels are 'a bit' more visible (pixelation?), but I couldn't say for sure. I just would like to
                    keep the quality as close to the original as possible, in case I buy a bigger TV at some point in the future.
                    I don't want to go through all the work of cutting some videos (editing), saving them in a format that looks                      
                    'perfect' on my relatively small 17 inch monitor,... but then find out in 10 years time that on a large screen
                    TV the video doesn't look great. At that point my only option would be to 're-edit' the videos from scratch,
                    which would be a waste of time. I don't know much about video editing, ... but it somehow makes sense
                    that if you can avoid 'reconversion', ... why then do it. Why not trying to stay as close to the original quality
                    as possible?


MERETE  wrote:
"The only reason I'm NOT using 'AVS Video ReMaker' is, because the cuts in the final video
                    are slightly off". Do you mean the sound is off slightly? Not in sync?

                    No. What happens is:
                    - I cut the video at the 'exact frame' between two scenes (e.g. an outdoor scene is being followed by an
                      indoor scene, ... and the indoor scene is being followed by a close-up).
                    - After editing out the indoor scene, ... when I watch the video within 'AVS Video ReMaker',
                      it looks perfect. There's nothing left of the 'indoor scene' even if I look at it frame by frame. There is
                      clearly no frame left of the 'indoor scene'.
                    - After saving the clip to .mpeg format and viewing it with my VLC player (or any other player),
                      AVS Video ReMaker somehow managed to put between 2 and 4 frames of the 'indoor scene' back
                      into the video. I don't know how or why it does it, but it's annoying to have these awkward transitions
                      (where it doesn't go straight from one scene to the next).
                    - I did get around this problem by cutting out the first and last 4 frames of each clip, but it is
                      cumbersome work and I started using 'AVS Video Editor' instead (which doesn't seem to have this
                      problem).
                    - NOTE: 'AVS  VIDEO  REMAKER' DOESN'T  MESS  UP  EACH  AND  EVERY  TRANSITION,  BUT  IT'S  JUST
                      AS  ANNOYING  IF  EVERY  FOURTH  OR  FIFTH  TRANSITION  IS  AWKWARD.
                   

Many thanks,

HA
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Thanks Merete!

MERETE  wrote:
...if you save the cut piece with same (720x576 pixels) does this give you a
                    different quality?
                   I think the pixels are 'a bit' more visible (pixelation?), but I couldn't say for sure. I just would
                    like to keep the quality as close to the original as possible, in case I buy a bigger TV at some
                    point in the future. I don't want to go through all the work of cutting (editing) videos,
                    saving them in a format that looks 'perfect' on my relatively small 17 inch monitor,... but then
                    find out in 10 years time that on a large screen TV the video doesn't look great. At that point
                    my only option would be to 're-edit' the videos from scratch, which would be a waste of time. I
                    don't know much about video editing, ... but it somehow makes sense that if you can avoid
                    'reconversion', ... why then do it. Why not trying to stay as close to the original quality as
                    possible?


MERETE  wrote:
"The only reason I'm NOT using 'AVS Video ReMaker' is, because the cuts in the final video
                    are slightly off". Do you mean the sound is off slightly? Not in sync?

                    No. What happens is:
                    - I cut the video at the 'exact frame' between two scenes (e.g. an outdoor scene is being followed
                      by an indoor scene, ... and the indoor scene is being followed by a close-up).
                    - After editing out the indoor scene, ... when I watch the video within 'AVS Video ReMaker',
                      it looks perfect. There's nothing left of the 'indoor scene' even if I look at it frame by frame.
                      There is clearly no frame left of the 'indoor scene'.
                    - After saving the clip to .mpeg format and viewing it with my VLC player (or any other player),
                      AVS Video ReMaker somehow managed to put between 2 and 4 frames of the 'indoor scene' back
                      into the video. I don't know how or why it does it, but it's annoying to have these awkward
                      transitions (where it doesn't go straight from one scene to the next).
                    - I did get around this problem by cutting out the first and last 4 frames of each clip, but it is
                      cumbersome work and I started using 'AVS Video Editor' instead (which doesn't seem to have this
                      problem).
                    - NOTE: 'AVS  VIDEO  REMAKER' DOESN'T  MESS  UP  EACH  AND  EVERY  TRANSITION,  BUT  IT'S  JUST
                      AS  ANNOYING  IF  EVERY  FOURTH  OR  FIFTH  TRANSITION  IS  AWKWARD.
                   

Many thanks,

HA
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HA,
Have you ever used widows moviemaker just as an example of how the video frame ( thumbnail) show how the video leads into the next, so if your cutting it at a point you believe is the start and end that may not be as accurate as your eyes see.
If you have looked at the how to video is this the same method you do?
You play it then split it and delete the other scenes.
In  WMM  it splits it exactly at that spot.
When you save your video ( any format) using the highest video scale such as 1920 x 800  wide screen this insures the playback with no distortion or pixelation on larger screens.
Larger screens also have a tendency for motion blur.
The best quality I can achieve with all my movies is video scale of 1920 x 800  @ 23.976 aspect ratio and the codec avc1 H.264/mpeg4/mp4.
This also makes every movie very large usually around 3 gig each. I take these on a HDD or a USB stick and play them through my raspberry Pi as it supports mp4 high definition.

 Xvid/divx  is better than mpeg2 and you can set as high as you want ,
At a given bit rate H.264 will be better than DivX/Xvid, which in turn will be better than MPEG2.
 However as the bitrate becomes greater the difference between the three will become smaller so you have many choices.
Knowing this may calm your concerns with losing quality for larger TV screens.
Mpeg and divx avi are supported to a TV from a USB device not mp4. and MKV.
A summary comparison of different video compression formats
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/divx-6,1060-4.html

I have not used any of the AVS4you tools as AVs I am inclined to believe is for avi.
Use the best media player on you PC and the highest video scale and your covered really.
DaPlayer has the finest quality and is free
http://www.winxdvd.com/daplayer/
Windows media Center plays video beautiful quality


I can offer ideas for lots of video editors that include the feature to split the video and export to a high res format
but it depends on your budget  and how you plan to play these video on large screen TV future.
Your thoughts.
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Hi Merete,

Sorry for the long silence, but I haven't had time to go online.

Thanks for all the suggestions and links you have provided, they have really helped.

I hope you don't mind that I will re-post this question to get a second (or third) opinion.

Many thanks again,

HA
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Not at all HA, 2nd opinions really interest me as well. Always good to see what others have to offer.
I'll look for your new question and just be an observer ;)
Thank you !!!
All the best
Merete
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