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Spare the rod, spoil the child

Disciplining children.
Children need to learn discipline.

Spare the rod, spoil the child?

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You have been watching too much NFL!
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Hmm, how long do they remain children .... when do they begin the heart of the rod?
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An 'NFL' example, four year old:
Peterson’s son had pushed another one of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game. As punishment, Peterson grabbed a tree branch – which he consistently referred to as a “switch” – removed the leaves and struck the child repeatedly. Peterson also admitted that he administered two different “whoopings” to his son during the visit to Texas. Peterson also expressed regret that his son did not cry – because then, Peterson said, he would have known that the switch was doing more damage than intended. Peterson estimated he “swatted” his son “10 to 15” times, but he’s not sure because he doesn’t “ever count how many pops I give my kids.” I know how being spanked has helped me in my life

The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands.

 the child told authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face.” The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”

From: http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/ - for story, not the graphics published of wounds

Younger Child
24-year-old unemployed dad Cody Wygant was playing "Aliens Extermination" on his X-box when his son Daymeon started crying. The game requires players to wear a headset.
Wygant told investigators that his 16-month-old son was crying uncontrollably. According to a statement filed in the case, Wygant shared how he placed his hand over his baby's mouth for about three to four minutes until the child looked "exhausted" and "lethargic."
http://www.fashiontimes.com/articles/5399/20140421/dad-killed-infant-son-baby-s-crying-hindered-playing-video.htm
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Abandoned (3 Days) - > 'good'(?) time to close?

Looks like there's more to be done yet to better define tools, ages, relationships, body parts & injuries, severity, use of alternatives - but it looks like time can begin quite young, but not last throughout life.

4 participants, I for one cannot conclude/summarize that which any well agree to. So it looks like topic with pursuing again at some other date.

Exception, the last two sentences seem similar enough to indicate a form of agreement (help for selecting 'best')(else, min 10 pt ea participant for 13 comments)

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Perhaps for one to ask another day:

- examples (more/other)
What are body positions - against wall, table, across lap....
What parts of body struck
What is dress code - bare skin?
Who gets to do it: parents, uncle, nephew, cousin, husband/fiance, grandparent
 - teacher, preacher, coach (sports), officer (ex truant), neighbor, therapist, ...
What is cause: manners, homework (undone), sports, abuse, language, lies, disobedience, theft, ...