Windows 8.1 won't load startup programs minimized

I have several shortcuts set to start up with windows 8.1 in the shell:startup folder. I have set them all to minimize, however none of them do. They all start regularly except for Skype which I don't have in that directory. If I test out the short cuts by themselves they start minimized but not when windows starts up.

I am running Windows 8.1 on a 2012 5.1 Mac Pro under Bootcamp.
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teebonProduct ManagerCommented:
You may want to check with this tool to verify the shortcuts and minimize setting:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
I checked it out with the tool as you suggested, however I can't find the answer to why the programs are not starting minimized.
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VB ITSSpecialist ConsultantCommented:
OK I managed to replicate your problem on my Windows 8.1 machine.

I was able to launch Chrome minimized at startup by adding /minimized to the end of the Target command as below:
Start-Program-Minimized.pngThe Run Minimized setting had no effect which I found odd.
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VB ITSSpecialist ConsultantCommented:
Sorry, scratch that. Just tested it again and Chrome nor Adobe Reader started minimized. Let me do some more testing.
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Rob GMicrosoft Systems EngineerCommented:
Ok.. So i tried this on windows 8 and this is what i needed to do to get it to work..
1. Launch the registry
2. Go to Hklm>Software>Microsoft>Windows>Currentversion>Run
3. Create a String Value called whatever you are trying to launch minimized.
4. Leave the registry open.
5. Go to Computer
6. A drive, local drive, C: for instance
7. Create a new folder called minimized
8. Right click "New"
9. New Text file
10. Add this into the text file.. (NOTE: using a normal value does not work)
for instance, if you are trying to open firefox on a 64bit machine..

C:\
cd "program files (x86)"
cd "modzilla firefox"
start /min firefox.exe

Save the file as a batch file.. (.BAT)
Go back over to the registry and add the path to the bat file to the registry key you created earlier. If you have spaces in the name you will need to quote it out..

The /min does NOT work in anything other than the command prompt..
this is the only way i have been able to work around the lack of /min working in windows.
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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
Create a new String value
For instance if you wanted to start Notepad minimized on boot..
Call the string NotePad
and in the Value..
"C:\windows\system32\Notepad.Exe" /Minimized

I tried it with your exact example and the attached screen shot was the result. Thunderbird (on of the programs I want to start at run time} just starts like normal when put into the registry in this fashion.

Pciture of notepad started from the registry.
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Rob GMicrosoft Systems EngineerCommented:
Music, try out the way i have it in 8.. it does work..

Edit: should say Mozilla not Modzilla.. sorry..
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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
Sorry Rob, I didn't see your reply in there.

Ok.. So i tried this on windows 8 and this is what i needed to do to get it to work..

I tried this and it still loads thunderbird fullscreen. This is the exact code from the batch file I created.

C:\
cd "C:\Program Files (x86)"
cd "Mozilla Thunderbird"
start /min thunderbird.exe

Open in new window

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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
Actually Rob when I run the batch file manually and at startup from the "Windows R" prompt it does nothing. I see the batch file flick past but nothing loads.
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Rob GMicrosoft Systems EngineerCommented:
What does it do when you drag and drop it into a cmd window?
Does it give an error?
or say anything.. because it works for Firefox fine, i am wondering what the error message is that flicks..

Are you sure your path is correct?
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Rob GMicrosoft Systems EngineerCommented:
Actually just installed Thunderbird and tried it with that specific program, and it works fine each time..

Possibly a UAC issue?
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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
Here is the output from dragging the batch file into a command window.

Capture-2.jpg
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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
Actually just installed Thunderbird and tried it with that specific program, and it works fine each time..

Possibly a UAC issue?

I have UAC turned off.
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Rob GMicrosoft Systems EngineerCommented:
Do you run classic shell?
Or are you running the regular desktop?
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Rob GMicrosoft Systems EngineerCommented:
Also, just to test, does it do the same thing, if you run the bat file in a cmd prompt that is running as administrator?
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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
I am running the standard desktop. The same as the one you would find in Windows 7.

And yes it does exactly the same thing when run in administrator command prompt.
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Rob GMicrosoft Systems EngineerCommented:
Let's see if we can do the ghetto backwards way..
1. right click on the thunderbird.exe in the mozilla thunderbird folder and copy
2. paste the shortcut on the desktop
3. right click on the shortcut and choose properties
4. where it says run "normal window" click the drop down and choose "minimized"
5. apply OK
6. grab the shortcut and drag it into the start menu
7. drop it into the folder under all program files that is called startup

log out..
log back in
see if that works for you..
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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
Nope that doesn't do it either.
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Rob GMicrosoft Systems EngineerCommented:
I am outta idea's brotha.. Maybe someone else will chime in, but those are the only ways i know to do this in Windows.

Best of Luck..
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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
Thanks for your help Rob!
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Rob GMicrosoft Systems EngineerCommented:
No worries Music.. Let me know if you figure it out..
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VB ITSSpecialist ConsultantCommented:
What programs are you trying to launch minimized specifically? List them here and I'll see what I can do.

I was able to get Adobe Reader to launch minimized at login but that was using a switch which Adobe designed to allow Reader to start minimized. I think the program itself needs to be able to support this function as I wasn't able to get Chrome to launch minimized.
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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
Thunderbird, Calendar app called CCalendar and Tasmanager.
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VB ITSSpecialist ConsultantCommented:
Do you mean Task Manager?

If so, I managed to find a way to get it to start minimized at logon via the Task Scheduler. Here are the steps:
Go to Control PanelAdministrative ToolsTask Scheduler > right click Task Scheduler Library > click Create Basic Task...
Give the Task a name (e.g. "Launch apps at login") > Next
Select When I log on at the Task Trigger window > Next
Leave it at Start a program at the Action window > Next
In the Program/script: field type in %windir%\system32\cmd.exe
In the Add arguments (optional): field type in /c start /min taskmgr.exe
In the Start in (optional): field type in %windir%\system32 > then click Next
Start-Task-Manager-Minimized.png
Tick the Open the Properties dialog for this task when I click Finish box then click on the Finish button
At the bottom of the properties for the new task, choose Windows 8.1 from the Configure for: dropdown menu > click OK when done
Log off then log back on, Task Manager should launch minimized

Repeat the above steps for your other programs. Just make sure you specify the path to the program's .exe in the Add arguments field and the folder path for the program in the Start in field.
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MusicBuddhaAuthor Commented:
It works for Task Manager but not for Thunderbird.

I double checked the path settings and I will put them below so you can check them yourself.

Program Script: %windir%\system32\cmd.exe
Add Arguments: /c start /min "C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Thunderbird\thunderbird.exe"
Start In: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Thunderbird"

What happens is that Thunderbird doesn't start at all
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VB ITSSpecialist ConsultantCommented:
You may have to resort to using an add-in for Thunderbird to get it to start minimized. Have a look at this add-on for Thunderbird and let me know if it works for you: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/minimize-on-start-and-close/
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