Pope Francis supporting Western ideology?

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Pope Francis Addresses Gay Marriage: Church Should Support Families With LGBT Children
http://www.ibtimes.com/pope-francis-addresses-gay-marriage-church-should-support-families-lgbt-children-1742369 - By  Lora Moftah - December 08 2014 [extracts]

While it is important to find ways to welcome gay Catholics, gay marriage is still not on the church’s agenda, Francis said.

Francis also addressed the issue of divorced Catholics, saying they were often treated as though they had been excommunicated.
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tliottaCommented:
Like so many similar items, I suspect we'll have to wait a couple centuries to see if it's a fleeting thing or one that is part of lasting change. As usual, I don't know what more is worth saying about the original question.

More interesting to me is the comment near the end from 'Galinda Nelson' that tried to link disparate bits of scripture to some apparently anti-Pope perspective. I read the comment a couple times, trying to remember where I'd run across it before. It came to me slowly. (The ads can mess up a browser on less capable systems, so be wary.)

Oh, yeah... now I got it. I realized it was essentially the same comment that has been made uncountable times in many thousands of discussions over the past thousand years or more. There are always those who see actions by various world (or only regional) figures as being the embodiment of some 'prophecy'. Eventually, of course, the points will match up more nicely. It's effectively inevitable.

I can't understand why it's thought to be meaningful "this time". And the previous time. And the next time. And most likely, the times another thousand years from now.

Tom
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SunBowAuthor Commented:
Teaching christians to be Christianshttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/pope-francis-fires-head-of-the-swiss-guard-i-give-the-orders-around-here/ - [extracts]
 
The Jesuit pontiff, nicknamed "the people's Pope," has established a warmer, more inclusive style of governance
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"Sit down," the Argentine Pope told the young guardsman, to which the soldier said: "I can't, it's against orders."

The Pope replied: "I give the orders around here" - and promptly went off to buy a cappuccino for the exhausted soldier.
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He has dismissed and demoted cardinals, bishops and the Vatican secretary of state, and now Pope Francis's reformist zeal has claimed a new scalp – the head of his own private army, the Swiss Guard.
Pope waves off those giving the bird
Pope Francis Issues Blistering Critique of Vatican Holy See
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/pope-francis/pope-francis-issues-blistering-critique-vatican-holy-see-n272981 - Associated Press - December 22nd 2014
Pope Francis issued a blistering critique Monday of the Vatican bureaucracy that serves him, denouncing some officials ...
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tliottaCommented:
It took 350 for the Galileo apology to be issued. Some things take time. (And I'm still not sure what the actual status of Galileo is.)

Changes in Vatican structures are made and unmade as various Popes come and go. Permanent changes, OTOH, seemingly require many years before they become entrenched traditions that gain their own momentum.

IMO, we'll see. (...if we live long enough.)

Tom
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SunBowAuthor Commented:
Personally, I think he has already shown himself to be suited for 'decent' leadership and presence on national stage.  I'd like to do more here, but consider it likely he'll deliver another talking point we can use to revisit overview. He's more like John, than one in between who had trouble leaving Nazi training in confessional.
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