What do you think about Atheist Ten commandments?
What do you think about Atheist Ten Commandments, as listed here?
1. Be open-minded and be willing to alter your beliefs with new evidence.
2. Strive to understand what is most likely to be true, not to believe what you wish to be true.
3. The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world.
4. Every person has the right to control over their body.
5. God is not necessary to be a good person or to live a full and meaningful life.
6. Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them.
7. Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect them to want to be treated. Think about their perspective.
8. We have the responsibility to consider others, including future generations.
9. There is no one right way to live.
10. Leave the world a better place than you found it.
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Why The Atheist Ten Commandments Fail Science, Philosophy, And Reason
http://www.inquisitr.com/1699241/why-the-atheist-ten-commandments-fail-science-philosophy-and-reason/ - December 23, 2014
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WaterStreet > wonder what the agnostic 10 would look like
:-)
ozo> Some of those are declarative statements.
Not so different, as none of the original three 10's are 'commands', they were to be part of contractual agreement - covenant. (distinguished from other 100s do's, don'ts) retained in ark.
tliotta> others tend to ignore 'Thou shalt not kill'.
Mistranslated, it was 'do not murder'
Moses was a murderer. Other tale tellers 'stretch' story for entertainment value.
> David sure had trouble with ..
er, were they any he did not have trouble with?
leonstryker > This one kind of assumes that God exists, which does not make sense for Atheists 10 Commandments.
,you've identified agnostic one for WaterStreet?
> Do we?
- needs a vote (or recount)?
viki2000 > Let’s take the last one „10. Leave the world a better place than you found it. “ Definitely sounds good.
Sounds good, at least since we do not know own longevity, each day of improvement is to own benefit - if we wake up next day. .... don't wait too long
> Think about their perspective
s/x
tliotta > in giving punishments
<ugh> I do not like that word. Prefer: "do crime/do time" & "eye for eye" (unembellished balance, no more 'extras' on what is due) or "corrections"
SStory > 6. Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them. Why? What will the end result be? If there is no judgement, and no God, why worry that much about it.
For one, you might not 'get away with it' (re: "I fought the law and the law won"). For another, pollute the water you drink and you may not get chance to pollute (or drink) any longer.
Some beliefs stretch this. Go save someone's life. They become endebted to you for life. Then as your 'subject', you 'get to' take care of them for life. Oh.
hdhondt > Note that I do not distinguish between creationism and ID
I think I do, in that ID can sound good (better) as sound bite or brief extract, but the more words they use the worse their argument becomes --- I feel same about the ID detractors, where more words used, less sense made, more nonsense. Like their arguments written by opposition. They cancel each other out, leaving <IDGI> - time for a drink.
viki2000 > with a strong will of being impartial and without any influence in their judgment, as scientific as possible
- reminds me of the gambit to rate the sayings of Jesus using votes for reliability. I been meaning to try revisit that.
hdhondt > When did the "designer" do his work? 6000 years ago, or over the course of the 4 billion year history of life?
Simple answer ought to be: before the beginning. They seem incapable of that suggestion. Go figure.
> Why did the designer create such weird things?
er, how about people with six toes, or six fingers, or worse? Science has it that they were going to be twins, but one had some extra growth factor, became like cannibal in womb. Upon learning that, the affected seem to become better adjusted, feeling that their long departed kin is not really gone, but remains part of them.
viki2000>
SStory> There is NO EVIDENCE for macroevolution. It is in fact absurd.
Not really. There's idea that it is not steady/slow, but rare/fast. Think you'll see comet landing, or ice age?
hdhondt > I suppose they next evolution on steroids to explain why all the current animals could evolve from the "kinds" that were carried in the ark. Weirdly
er, how'd they get to Australia?
> because otherwise we can't explain it"
good entry point for magician, magic, soothsayer, miracle
viki2000 > levitation
Disbelief in levitation (or belief) does not disprove the misunderstood
SStory > Where is the missing link? You can't really find it.
& lets hope none are found, at least not too soon. It can be nice to be different than others. Have yet to see Monkey teach algebra, play MLB, go caroling, grab arms to join terrorist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsupial
Marsupials are an infraclass of mammals living primarily in Australasia and the Americas. A distinctive characteristic, common to most species, is that the young are carried in a pouch.
[~15? ~3ea?]
[No summary .. yet, this seems to have some level of longevity. So, with several recent replies to replies (discussion) after 'last call', leaving it open a little longer whilst trying to come up with another ... discussion. Or would any want a 'Part 2' restart?]
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ozo> Some of those are declarative statements.
Not so different, as none of the original three 10's are 'commands', they were to be part of contractual agreement - covenant. (distinguished from other 100s do's, don'ts) retained in ark.
tliotta> others tend to ignore 'Thou shalt not kill'.
Mistranslated, it was 'do not murder'
Moses was a murderer. Other tale tellers 'stretch' story for entertainment value.
> David sure had trouble with ..
er, were they any he did not have trouble with?
leonstryker > This one kind of assumes that God exists, which does not make sense for Atheists 10 Commandments.
,you've identified agnostic one for WaterStreet?
> Do we?
- needs a vote (or recount)?
viki2000 > Let’s take the last one „10. Leave the world a better place than you found it. “ Definitely sounds good.
Sounds good, at least since we do not know own longevity, each day of improvement is to own benefit - if we wake up next day. .... don't wait too long
> Think about their perspective
s/x
tliotta > in giving punishments
<ugh> I do not like that word. Prefer: "do crime/do time" & "eye for eye" (unembellished balance, no more 'extras' on what is due) or "corrections"
SStory > 6. Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them. Why? What will the end result be? If there is no judgement, and no God, why worry that much about it.
For one, you might not 'get away with it' (re: "I fought the law and the law won"). For another, pollute the water you drink and you may not get chance to pollute (or drink) any longer.
Some beliefs stretch this. Go save someone's life. They become endebted to you for life. Then as your 'subject', you 'get to' take care of them for life. Oh.
hdhondt > Note that I do not distinguish between creationism and ID
I think I do, in that ID can sound good (better) as sound bite or brief extract, but the more words they use the worse their argument becomes --- I feel same about the ID detractors, where more words used, less sense made, more nonsense. Like their arguments written by opposition. They cancel each other out, leaving <IDGI> - time for a drink.
viki2000 > with a strong will of being impartial and without any influence in their judgment, as scientific as possible
- reminds me of the gambit to rate the sayings of Jesus using votes for reliability. I been meaning to try revisit that.
hdhondt > When did the "designer" do his work? 6000 years ago, or over the course of the 4 billion year history of life?
Simple answer ought to be: before the beginning. They seem incapable of that suggestion. Go figure.
> Why did the designer create such weird things?
er, how about people with six toes, or six fingers, or worse? Science has it that they were going to be twins, but one had some extra growth factor, became like cannibal in womb. Upon learning that, the affected seem to become better adjusted, feeling that their long departed kin is not really gone, but remains part of them.
viki2000>
SStory> There is NO EVIDENCE for macroevolution. It is in fact absurd.
Not really. There's idea that it is not steady/slow, but rare/fast. Think you'll see comet landing, or ice age?
hdhondt > I suppose they next evolution on steroids to explain why all the current animals could evolve from the "kinds" that were carried in the ark. Weirdly
er, how'd they get to Australia?
> because otherwise we can't explain it"
good entry point for magician, magic, soothsayer, miracle
viki2000 > levitation
Disbelief in levitation (or belief) does not disprove the misunderstood
SStory > Where is the missing link? You can't really find it.
& lets hope none are found, at least not too soon. It can be nice to be different than others. Have yet to see Monkey teach algebra, play MLB, go caroling, grab arms to join terrorist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MarsupialMarsupials are an infraclass of mammals living primarily in Australasia and the Americas. A distinctive characteristic, common to most species, is that the young are carried in a pouch.
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[No summary .. yet, this seems to have some level of longevity. So, with several recent replies to replies (discussion) after 'last call', leaving it open a little longer whilst trying to come up with another ... discussion. Or would any want a 'Part 2' restart?]
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[aha, typing too slow, another pops up in interim, thread has life of own. While any can contribute after closure, removing from 'open' deters fresh blood joining in]
hdhondt > What about tree-ring counts, going back 10,000 years, and
So what? An all-powerful-god, being omnipotent, can have given us a kick-start, say at year 0, beginning us with a universe with a historical record already built in to design. ID-ers tend to not like losing out on millenia to believe in that are not experienced, whilst big- bangers prefer the bigger numbers of longevity.
> Maybe all the animals were in cold storage
- or placed in test tube, moved to petri
- and teleported
- cloned?
- nephilim?
- unicorn?
- Behemoth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opossum
The opossums, also known by their scientific name Didelphimorphia /daɪˌdɛlfɨˈmɔrfiə/), make up the largest order of marsupials in the Western Hemisphere
..
When threatened or harmed, they will "play possum", mimicking the appearance and smell of a sick or dead animal...The animal will typically regain consciousness after a period of between 40 minutes and 4 hours
..Adult opossums do not hang from trees by their tails, as sometimes depicted, though babies may dangle temporarily.
hdhondt > What about tree-ring counts, going back 10,000 years, and
So what? An all-powerful-god, being omnipotent, can have given us a kick-start, say at year 0, beginning us with a universe with a historical record already built in to design. ID-ers tend to not like losing out on millenia to believe in that are not experienced, whilst big- bangers prefer the bigger numbers of longevity.
> Maybe all the animals were in cold storage
- or placed in test tube, moved to petri
- and teleported
- cloned?
- nephilim?
- unicorn?
- Behemoth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opossum
The opossums, also known by their scientific name Didelphimorphia /daɪˌdɛlfɨˈmɔrfiə/), make up the largest order of marsupials in the Western Hemisphere
..
When threatened or harmed, they will "play possum", mimicking the appearance and smell of a sick or dead animal...The animal will typically regain consciousness after a period of between 40 minutes and 4 hours
..Adult opossums do not hang from trees by their tails, as sometimes depicted, though babies may dangle temporarily.
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SStory > the truth was shown in Bill Nye vs Ken Ham debate:
- RU sure of that? I see nothing there I'd hang my hat on.
hdhondt > maybe the universe was created, not 6000 years, ... but with a 13.8 billion year history.
- or maybe last night before we 'woke up' created
- or may be we're in induced dream state off in a pod
- or maybe, the history is 200 trillion years old
- or maybe -- has always been
viki2000 > "the speed of light cannot possibly be a constant limit"
- It is not a constant, being subject to "medium is massage"
- While Dirty Harry reminds us to beware our limitations, a continuation can be about presumptions of alternatives regarding 'limits', not only rural vs urban vs school
- RU sure of that? I see nothing there I'd hang my hat on.
hdhondt > maybe the universe was created, not 6000 years, ... but with a 13.8 billion year history.
- or maybe last night before we 'woke up' created
- or may be we're in induced dream state off in a pod
- or maybe, the history is 200 trillion years old
- or maybe -- has always been
viki2000 > "the speed of light cannot possibly be a constant limit"
- It is not a constant, being subject to "medium is massage"
- While Dirty Harry reminds us to beware our limitations, a continuation can be about presumptions of alternatives regarding 'limits', not only rural vs urban vs school
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Point of order:
as we are a bit astray of topic "What do you think about Atheist Ten commandments?",
yet having more liveliness than some other Q's
What are your thoughts on moving on together to a 'part 2', if so how to title that... how about a:
"what do you think of creationism?"
I can probably post it later today, if all care to continue.
and soliciting Help in phrasing question.
-as asker, I should bear more the hat of facilitator than that of participant
as we are a bit astray of topic "What do you think about Atheist Ten commandments?",
yet having more liveliness than some other Q's
What are your thoughts on moving on together to a 'part 2', if so how to title that... how about a:
"what do you think of creationism?"
I can probably post it later today, if all care to continue.
and soliciting Help in phrasing question.
-as asker, I should bear more the hat of facilitator than that of participant
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[Abandoned (14 Days)]
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Closing now
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Hmm, were 'best' to get 10 pt, that's about 1 for each comment (maintaining flow).
(how to..) Avg 5 then for top three, based... striking 10 bullets.
& those discussing (opinions) ought also get to five ea (I didn't count)
Lending to a small step for getting into a new month
Hard to form more a conclusion than there remain those who can sustain discussion on religion (not just philosophy) topic
Time to move on to other questions
9 Participating Experts
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Hmm, were 'best' to get 10 pt, that's about 1 for each comment (maintaining flow).
(how to..) Avg 5 then for top three, based... striking 10 bullets.
& those discussing (opinions) ought also get to five ea (I didn't count)
Lending to a small step for getting into a new month
Hard to form more a conclusion than there remain those who can sustain discussion on religion (not just philosophy) topic
Time to move on to other questions
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= about time for closing comments