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Do you think your country favors Gypsies or Mormon?

Posted on 2015-01-24
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Do you think your country favors Gypsies or Mormon?

Which? By 'country', while valid answer could be legislation, my intent is for sampling of comparison opinions of a people, for a 'territory' one has more familiarity with.

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Your own opinion(s) regarding the pair?

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The Romani (also spelled Romany), or Roma, are an ethnicity of Indian origin, living mostly in Europe and the Americas. Romani are widely known among English-speaking people by the exonym "Gypsies" (or Gipsies). [Wikipedia]
During World War II, the Nazis and the Ustaša embarked on a systematic genocide of the Romani. They were often killed on sight, especially by the Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing units) on the Eastern Front. The total number of victims has been variously estimated at between 220,000 to 1,500,000. In Czechoslovakia, they were labeled a "socially degraded stratum," and Romani women were sterilized as part of a state policy to reduce their population.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons
Mormons (/ˈmɔrmənz/) are a religious and cultural group related to Mormonism, the principal branch of the Latter Day Saint (LDS) movement of Restorationist Christianity

Mormons self-identify as Christian, though some of their beliefs differ from mainstream Christianity
Mormons believe in "a friendly universe", governed by a God whose work and glory it is to bring his children to immortality and eternal life.
Mormons believe in a pre-mortal existence where people were literal spirit children of God,
According to Mormons, a deviation from the original principles of Christianity, known as the Great Apostasy, began not long after the ascension of Jesus Christ. It was marked with the corruption of Christian doctrine by Greek and other philosophies
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Romania: No Mormons here (that I know of). Plenty of Gypsies, though: over 600.000 people, or 3.3% of the total population.
Note: I'm not using the term "Romani" because it's been assimilated with "Romanians", largely thanks to the French papers (the French are the most xenophobe population in Europe, IMO).
The Romani and Romanians are 2 very different populations (one is Indian, the other Latin in origin).

Now, onto the topic. In Romania there are 2 categories of Gypsies: assimilated and traditional. The assimilated Gypsies are regular citizens: they have an education, homes and jobs. They're treated as equals.

The traditional Gypsies shun schooling (public education), believing it "rots" the mind of the children, girls in particular. As a result, lots of boys and most girls are illiterate. Even when they were forced to send their children to school (before 1990), most did not graduated past 4th grade.

The result is that they cannot get regular jobs and the alternative occupations (thief, beggar) are accepted options.
Not having a stable job also comes with other problems: poor housing conditions (some are even nomad - meaning they live in tents most of the year and go from place to place) and only basic emergency healthcare is available to them.

The traditional Gypsies are very resistant to assimilation. All the public and private attempts in the past centuries, either forced or voluntary, only met with limited success.

Public opinion here regarding traditional Gypsies: dirty thieves and beggars.

My personal opinion: the government should continue trying to get gypsy children to school. Education is the best way of integrating the gypsy population into society.
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That' pretty fair view, where while they have more time/years to expand - more in US (said to be a million), for example, Mormon (LDS) expanded more to US south and west than eastward to Europe - seemingly less 'acceptable'.

US can have more 'acceptance' for the outlaw/outlawed, as such there's some level of 'romantic' appeal of the gypsy, like that for respect of Amish if not the Quaker. They've family values that cannot be under-rated. I'm not sure of overall development of schooling, where all may approve of education, it is primarily within the home environment. Although there is also a somewhat high appeal for vampires.

Gypsy lifestyle may have them leave the life of being on the road, yet not really to point of settling in. Where the men may do construction for awhile, they tend to get caught for overbilling shoddy construction, or lack of work performed, while their women get caught shoplifting, so they return to the pickups, RVs, and open road. Such goes the stereotype of the media attention. The ladies may also hang a sign to read palms or tarot - and perform well at it. As ripoff artists they are not liked (going to disaster area to solicit unwarranted charges from elderly having limited ability to fund remaining life). As a closed group they'd be wary of trusting others - outsiders, but that goes with most communities.

My guess is that LDS would fare rather poorly on opinion polls - of Christians. Perhaps MQ would shed some light on that.
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Cannot ask Willard Mitt Romney about LDS anymore, he's opted out of spotlight.

"off the books":

gypsy cab
An illegal unlicensed taxicab

Man, I was lost in the ghetto for like an hour. Luckily, a gypsy cab managed to drive me out.

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