Solved

Worth to use Hybrid HDD in USB casing for performance gain vs the usual 2.5" HDD; shockproofing USB HDD

Posted on 2015-02-20
12
476 Views
Last Modified: 2016-10-27
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Laptop-2-5-Inch-Internal-ST1000LM014/dp/B00B99JUBQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424452131&sr=8-1&keywords=Seagate+Hybrid+2.5

I'm getting the above Seagate 2.5" Hybrid HDD to be inserted into a USB 3 casing.

Q1:
As this Hybrid HDD is 5400rpm only, will using it in a USB3 casing give at least
10% IO performance compared to using a conventional 5400rpm (those with cache built-in), say the Silicone Power shockproof (& dustproof) one below:
  http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LN0P5Q0/ref=twister_B00TQOYRGO?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

I plan to use the USB HDD to take backups (Acronis & backing up my data
using Acronis or Robocopy) as well as inserting a HDD into the USB NAS below:
  Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device:
  http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Series-4-Backup-Device/dp/B006I5MKZY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424452500&sr=8-1&keywords=Pogo+plug

I suppose the USB NAS Pogoplug could accept direct SATA connection of the
Seagate Hybrid or via a USB3 HDD : I have about 15 GB of Outlook Pst data
to backup to this Pogoplug device as well as Android/iPhones data (daily
incrementals)


Q2:
Can I shock-proof my HDD in a USB3 casing?  Could I just stash up tiny bits
of styrofoam into the USB3 casing?  Or those Silicone Power makers have
special 'paddings' to make their HDD shockproof?  I read Silicone Power
uses conventional Samsung HDD only
0
Comment
Question by:sunhux
  • 7
  • 3
  • 2
12 Comments
 
LVL 76

Assisted Solution

by:arnold
arnold earned 180 total points
ID: 40621603
From my understanding of this product it will not matter for your intended use.

The device is geared more towards continuous use such that built in logic within will move frequently accessed data from the spindle storage and on to the SSD portion of the drive.

For your intended use the task the device will be performing is writes of backup data.

The drives that have the 5400 rpm have the cache size to deal with performance.

The case into which you place it has to be cushioned to reduce the shock.
0
 
LVL 70

Accepted Solution

by:
garycase earned 320 total points
ID: 40622231
A hybrid drive provides the best performance gains when it's used as a boot device, whereby the most frequently accessed sectors will, after time, be retained in the SSD cache part of the drive ... yielding near-SSD-like performance for booting and the loading of frequently accessed programs.

In the use you envision, there will still be some gains ... the SSD will be used for most of the initial writes during a backup ... but not as much as you might think, since there won't be a clear set of "most frequently used" data that it retains in the SSD portion.

Personally, if you want a shockproof drive mount, I'd just buy the shockproof drive you linked to, and not bother with the hybrid.    Note that when limited by a USB3 interface, you're not going to get much benefit from an SSD anyway, as the interface is going to limit the maximum performance.

Save a few $$ and buy the shockproof drive :-)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LN0P5Q0/ref=twister_B00TQOYRGO?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
0
 

Author Comment

by:sunhux
ID: 40622503
> In the use you envision, there will still be some gains ... the SSD will be used for most of the initial writes during a
>backup ... but not as much as you might think, since there won't be a clear set of "most frequently used" data that
> it retains in the SSD portion.

In fact when I used robocopy to copy a 15GB pst file (from my laptop's full SSD drive) to this hybrid USB drive, it
appears that the readings for the first 5-6GB was increasing a a very rapid rate & then it suddenly slows down:
I'm guessing the SSD buffer on the Hybrid had been filled up & the write operation to the USB suddenly slows
down, correct me if I'm wrong.   Well actually I've ordered this Seagate hybrid, just thinking if I should get
another one or just the shockproof ones.  I'll just test with other normal (non hybrid) USB3 to see if I get
the same behavior
0
 

Author Comment

by:sunhux
ID: 40622506
Robocopy gives a % completion reading & it's based on this incrementing reading that I see the write operation
for the first 5-6GB was very fast & then slowed significantly thereafter: not sure if this reading is accurate
0
 

Author Comment

by:sunhux
ID: 40622508
Suppose this SSD buffer helps with the write operation, can I presume that after copying a 5GB file to it,
I can detach/Safe Remove the USB device & it will continue to flush what's in its SSD to the normal HDD
in it?
0
 
LVL 76

Assisted Solution

by:arnold
arnold earned 180 total points
ID: 40622527
Not quite sure I understand your question. Are you contemplating detaching the external as soon as the system indicates the copy is complete?
The hybrid logic is a black box the slow down is likely starts when the data needs to be transferred/written out from the SSD into the regular drive portion or there is a backlog ........

Once your copy command indicates the process is complete the disconnect is safe.  I do not believe that a disconnect while the power is maintained will have data transfer within the hybrid.

This has to be check with the spec, but I believe a copy out from SSD to the Harddrive only occurs as needed dealing with new data coming in.
0
Get up to 2TB FREE CLOUD per backup license!

An exclusive Black Friday offer just for Expert Exchange audience! Buy any of our top-rated backup solutions & get up to 2TB free cloud per system! Perform local & cloud backup in the same step, and restore instantly—anytime, anywhere. Grab this deal now before it disappears!

 
LVL 70

Assisted Solution

by:garycase
garycase earned 320 total points
ID: 40622693
If you do a "Safely Remove" and Windows says it's okay to remove the drive, you can remove it.    Doesn't matter if the data's actually on the SSD portion of the hybrid or magnetic platters at that moment.

I suspect the slowdown you're seeing is caused by two different things:  (1) it could certainly be that the SSD cache has been filled and the copies have to slow down to the actual write rate of the platters;  but (2) it's also quite likely that this is simply the typical USB buffering that occurs when copying to USB devices -- the copies will tend to go fast for a while;  then slow down as the drive's buffer (whether SSD or RAM) fills up and needs to be emptied before the rate can climb back up.

I DO think you'll see faster copies to a hybrid ... but likely not enough faster to make a lot of difference; and the shockproof units you're looking at may be a better long term choice if these are going to be used in environments where the extra shock absorption is useful.
0
 

Author Comment

by:sunhux
ID: 40622786
>  Are you contemplating detaching the external as soon as the system indicates the
> copy is complete?
Yes


I've just tried with a conventional USB3 Western Digital HDD & observed that for the
1st 9.9%, the robocopy % incrementing is very fast too & once it hits 10%, it slowed
down.  I'm guessing the WD USB3 has some sort of cache in it too & it gets filled up
& thus slows down.

Hmm, the USB3 with Hybrid Seagate in it slows down after hitting about 30%, so
I guess the larger SSD cache could explains this?  But 30% is about 4.5GB while
the total size of the SSD published by Seagate is 8GB which does explains the
8GB was filled up
0
 

Author Comment

by:sunhux
ID: 40622789
>http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Series-4-Backup-Device/dp/B006I5MKZY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424452500&sr=8-1&keywords=Pogo+plug

I guess with the above USB NAS "Pogoplug" I'm getting, this device may become a
bottleneck so a shockproof HDD could be a better choice.  Anyone knows of any eSATA
HDD that is shockproof as the Pogoplug could support direct eSATA connection?
By adding a USB3 casing to the eSATA HDD, I'm adding another layer (ie USB3) of
overhead to the Pogoplug
0
 

Author Comment

by:sunhux
ID: 40622803
Or I'll have to DIY the eSATA HDD to make it shockproof?

I have 3 cases of USB HDDs crashes that the experts in EE can't help
me recover & 3 cases of 2.5" laptops HDDs crashes so just wanted
to avoid these nightmares.  I have got 2 pcs of Silicone Power USB3
HDDs & they have been doing fine without crashes/bad sectors for
the last 1 year (& hope they continue to be so) : to build in a RAID1
/mirror is a bit costly & I'll need a NAS (never seen USB casings that
build in RAID1)
0
 

Author Comment

by:sunhux
ID: 40622831
Typo correction
> But 30% is about 4.5GB while  the total size of the SSD published by Seagate is 8GB
> which does explains the 8GB was filled up

=> which does NOT explain the 8GB was filled up
0
 
LVL 70

Expert Comment

by:garycase
ID: 40622934
You could use an eSATA case with a large SSD (500GB SSDs are down to ~ $200) if you want a very fast and shockproof setup.
0

Featured Post

Comprehensive Backup Solutions for Microsoft

Acronis protects the complete Microsoft technology stack: Windows Server, Windows PC, laptop and Surface data; Microsoft business applications; Microsoft Hyper-V; Azure VMs; Microsoft Windows Server 2016; Microsoft Exchange 2016 and SQL Server 2016.

Join & Write a Comment

I use more than 1 computer in my office for various reasons. Multiple keyboards and mice take up more than just extra space, they make working a little more complicated. Using one mouse and keyboard for all of my computers makes life easier. This co…
This video Micro Tutorial explains how to clone a hard drive using a commercial software product for Windows systems called Casper from Future Systems Solutions (FSS). Cloning makes an exact, complete copy of one hard disk drive (HDD) onto another d…
This Micro Tutorial will teach you how to reformat your flash drive. Sometimes your flash drive may have issues carrying files so this will completely restore it to manufacturing settings. Make sure to backup all files before reformatting. This w…

758 members asked questions and received personalized solutions in the past 7 days.

Join the community of 500,000 technology professionals and ask your questions.

Join & Ask a Question

Need Help in Real-Time?

Connect with top rated Experts

22 Experts available now in Live!

Get 1:1 Help Now