# Calculating Time

I'm using the following code to calculate elapsed time.  It works fine until I go over 24 hours.  The field is formatted as short time which also works fine until the value exceeds 24 hours.  I don't want days, Hours, and Minutes.  I just want hours and minutes.  I believe the problem is the data type or formatting of the field, not the formula.  Please help.

=(((IIf([PFT]>[PMRT],[PFT]-[PMRT],([PFT]+1)-[PMRT])*[PressOps])*1440)\60) & Format(((IIf([PFT]>[PMRT],[PFT]-[PMRT],([PFT]+1)-[PMRT])*[PressOps])*1440) Mod 60,"\:00")

Marshall
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CIOCommented:
OK. You shouldn't use the Change event (remove this) but the AfterUpdate:

Private Sub PressOps_AfterUpdate()
Me!ManHrs.Value = FormatHourMinute(([PFT] - [PMRT] + Abs([PFT] < [PMRT])) * [PressOps])
End Sub

assuming that this is in the form FrmEditPressRpt and [PFT] and [PMRT] are bound to date fields.

/gustav
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Commented:
Hi

To be able to do a SUM in houres, you need to use format below in the cell with the formula :
``````[hh]:mm
``````
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Commented:
The time format is intended to show a point in time.  That is different from elapsed time.  To show elapsed time over 24 hours.  Calculate the difference as minutes and then convert to hours and minutes by dividing by 60 and concatenate the results with the ":" separator.
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Commented:
can you give me an example of what you have now, and what you are expecting to doo?

Is it for example

12:55:00
13:55:00
14:55:00
15:55:00
16:55:00

Would equal to: 74:35
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CIOCommented:
You can use this function:
``````Public Function FormatHourMinute( _
ByVal datTime As Date, _
Optional ByVal strSeparator As String = ":") _
As String

' Returns count of days, hours and minutes of datTime
' converted to hours and minutes as a formatted string
' with an optional choice of time separator.
'
' Example:
'   datTime: #10:03# + #20:01#
'   returns: 30:04
'
' 2005-02-05. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

Dim strHour       As String
Dim strMinute     As String
Dim strHourMinute As String

strHour = CStr(Fix(datTime) * 24 + Hour(datTime))
strMinute = Right("0" & CStr(Minute(datTime)), 2)
strHourMinute = strHour & strSeparator & strMinute

FormatHourMinute = strHourMinute

End Function
``````
/gustav
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Infotrakker SoftwareCommented:
The field is formatted as short time which also works fine until the value exceeds 24 hours.
The Formatting of a data field is of no consequence when you run calculations on it, unless you first FORMAT the data, and then try to run calcs on that formatted object.

If you are actually storing ONLY the HH;MM, then you're out of luck.

If you are storing the FULL DateTime (like 01-01-2014T12:22:34) then you should be using DateDiff to get the variance:

'/ number of MInutes between the two
DateDiff("n", Date1, Date2)

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Commented:
Please have a look at the attachment.
Sum-on-time.xlsx
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Author Commented:
I've been doing this in a Macro, not VBA but I can change if I can figure out the proper code.  This formula I'm using now compares the start time which is "PMRT" to the End Time which is "PFT" to determine if the time period crosses midnight.  Then depending on that it subtracts the start time from end time in minutes, divides by 60 for hours and then shows the remaining minutes them multiplies that number by the number of people working on the job, "PressOps" and stores the results in a field which is a Short Text field.  I had the field formatted as short time which I realize now will not work for values over 24 hours.  What I need to know is how to format the field to show only hours and minutes when over 24 hours.

=(((IIf([PFT]>[PMRT],[PFT]-[PMRT],([PFT]+1)-[PMRT])*[PressOps])*1440)\60) & Format(((IIf([PFT]>[PMRT],[PFT]-[PMRT],([PFT]+1)-[PMRT])*[PressOps])*1440) Mod 60,"\:00")
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CIOCommented:
Use my function (copy paste into an empty module):

=FormatHourMinute(([PFT]-[PMRT])*[PressOps])

The output is a string so apply no format.

/gustav
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Author Commented:
This function will return an incorrect value if the start and end times cross midnight.

Marshall
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CIOCommented:
So you have time only. Then:

=FormatHourMinute(([PFT]-[PMRT]+Abs([PFT]<[PMRT]))*[PressOps])

/gustav
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Commented:
I don't want days, Hours, and Minutes.  I just want hours and minutes.
Unlike Excel, Access has no built-in format or formula to show a time period of more than 24 hours in length as just hours and minutes.
You must create, or borrow, a VBA function to do the job for you.
And the format of the control you display your result in MUST NOT be a datetime format, or it will just undo your hard work.

The field is formatted as short time
Change the format to General and see what happens.
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Author Commented:
I've removed all formatting from the field on the form and the table.  I've  pasted your function into an module and I've edited the macro to the =FormatHourMinute(([PFT]-[PMRT]+Abs([PFT]<[PMRT]))*[PressOps])  After this the value still shows up as a time,   4:00 hours * 5 PressOps shows up as 8:00:00 PM which is 20:00.  I don't know what is formatting the filed to show PM now.
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Author Commented:
It also is not working on values that would exceed 24 hours or 24:00.
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CIOCommented:
The function works. Here's a test:
``````Public Sub test()

Dim PMRT        As Date
Dim PFT         As Date
Dim PressOps    As Integer

Dim D           As Integer

' Start
PMRT = #9:00:00 AM#
' End
PFT = #8:00:00 AM#

PressOps = 1
Debug.Print FormatHourMinute((PFT - PMRT + Abs(PFT < PMRT)) * PressOps)
PressOps = 5
Debug.Print FormatHourMinute((PFT - PMRT + Abs(PFT < PMRT)) * PressOps)
PressOps = 10
Debug.Print FormatHourMinute((PFT - PMRT + Abs(PFT < PMRT)) * PressOps)

End Sub
``````
Output is:

23:00
115:00
230:00

Perhaps your values are not date/time?
Try:

=FormatHourMinute((CDate([PFT])-CDate([PMRT])+Abs(CDate([PFT])<CDate([PMRT])))*[PressOps])

/gustav
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Author Commented:
I get the same results, The PMRT and PFT fields are both set as short text and format is Medium time.
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Author Commented:
I pasted the line in the macro and I get an error that says the database can't parse the expression.
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CIOCommented:
The format doesn't matter; it is for display only.
What matters are the values and the data type.

If data type is Date, the function and calculation works as is.
If data type is Text, the values must be converted using CDate before passed to the function and calculation can be performed.

The output is text because a time value of more than 24 hours cannot be displayed using a time format.
Thus, the format of the output should be none or Standard.

/gustav
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CIOCommented:
Could you replicate here please, what you pasted and where?

/gustav
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Author Commented:
See the attached PDF file.
Error.pdf
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Author Commented:
I did paste your test function into a module and it does work properly, even for values over 24 hours.
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CIOCommented:
Oops, I don't do macros, so I can't tell.

Couldn't you just open the Properties panel and select Events, OnClick and Event Procedure and open the code Windows.
Then insert this code line:

Me!ManHrs.Value = FormatHourMinute((CDate([PFT])-CDate([PMRT])+Abs(CDate([PFT])<CDate([PMRT])))*[PressOps])

/gustav
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Author Commented:
See attached pdf file.  I'm still getting an error message.  Should I drop the macro and try to do it all in vba?
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Author Commented:
File attached to this one.
Time-Calculation.pdf
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CIOCommented:
>  Should I drop the macro and try to do it all in vba?

I would recommend that.

/gustav
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Author Commented:
OK,  I think I have the basics worked out for the VBA.  Your test function does give the correct results. I've set the variables to read from the form already so it picks up the values from PMRT, PFT and PressOps and calculates the correct value.  However I can't seem to get the code to populate the manhrs field on the form to work.  I don't get any errors, just nothing seems to happen.
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Author Commented:
Also can we get it all rolled into one function?
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CIOCommented:
What does your OnClick sub function look like?

/gustav
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Author Commented:
I don't have anything on the onClick sub function.  I have a after update function on the PressOps field.

Private Sub PressOps_Change()
Call MyFunctions.Test
End Sub

The test sub is what you sent me with a couple of modifications to pull the data from the form.  Here it is.  It works when I run it manually from the VBA window but I can't get the call to work.  The test Sub also used your FormatHourMinute function.

Public Sub Test()

Dim PMRT        As Date
Dim PFT         As Date
Dim PressOps    As Integer
Dim ET As String

' Start
PMRT = Forms!FrmEditPressRpt!PMRT.Value
' End
PFT = Forms!FrmEditPressRpt!PFT.Value

PressOps = Forms!FrmEditPressRpt!PressOps.Value
Debug.Print FormatHourMinute((PFT - PMRT + Abs(PFT < PMRT)) * PressOps)
ET = FormatHourMinute((PFT - PMRT + Abs(PFT < PMRT)) * PressOps)
Debug.Print ET
Forms!FrmEditPressRpt!ManHrs.Value = ET
DoCmd.SetProperty "forms!frmEditPressRpt!ManHrs", acPropertyValue, ET

End Sub
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Author Commented:
Gustav I can't thank you enough.  This is so much easier than the way I was trying to do it and I learned so much about VBA today.  I have similar places in this DB where I'm working with date time fields and this will help so much.  I wish I could give you 10 times the points .  Thanks for sticking with me through this.

Marshall
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