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Dell 0GX466: Is this a caddy that can adapt a Dell D620 LAPTOP SATA hardrive to be used in a Desktop as a SATA HARD DRIVE?

The question is just  what the title says.  Except, if that isn't what it does, what is it?

Thanks.
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akahanCommented:
No, it looks to me like it's a caddy so that you can put a SATA hard drive in a Dell D620 or D630 laptop, which  has an IDE interface.
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lewisoAuthor Commented:
I don't see how that could be, because that interface is not an ide interface, either male or female side,  and it's not what a D620 has as an interface in either the main or media bay.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
It's simply a holder (carrier) for a standard laptop hard drive that you want to put in a Dell D620.

It has nothing to do with the interface -- although the drive has to be a SATA drive, since that's what a D620 requires.    But this carrier has nothing to do with the interface.


As for "adapting a laptop SATA hard drive to be used in a desktop"  ==>  there's nothing to adapt.   You just plug in the power and data cables and it will work fine.    Depending on where you're going to mount it, you may want a 2.5" -> 3.5" adapter;  but electronically there's nothing to do.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
... an example of a physical 2.5" to 3.5" adapter:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817812011

But if there's a flat surface (perhaps a drive tray) it's very easy to simply set the drive on it and use a bit of Velcro to hold it in place.   No adapter needed :-)
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lewisoAuthor Commented:
Gary thanks but i don't get it ..........The unit has an interface on it and I don't have a sata desktop drive in front of me  but I think it looks like that ........ And I do have a 620 with me and the interface on that Dell 0GX466 looks Nothing like what's on the end of what goes into D620.  Have you seen a picture of it?
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jmcgOwnerCommented:
Just a point of clarification. I have a couple of D630s and they take SATA drives, not IDE. Since the same caddy is used for the D620, I surmise that they take SATA as well. I'm not going to take my laptop apart just to check, but I seem to remember that there's an interposer needed between the drive and the laptop to make the connection work and this interposer may not be included with the caddy if you're buying it from a 3rd party. Not really an issue for this question, though, since GaryCase's answer seems like the most apt.
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lewisoAuthor Commented:
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lewisoAuthor Commented:
Hi, Please take a look at the file imageques.jpg.  That's not the exact unit but a similar one.  Where gets put in this and where does it go, in a Dell D620?

Thanks.

Lewis.
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jmcgOwnerCommented:
On a Dell 620, the drive bay is on the underside of the laptop. There are two screws that you need to undo and then the drive caddy can be pulled out.

This video shows it pretty well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hs2l9XXOrQ
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akahanCommented:
Usually on Dells, the secondary hard drive caddy goes into the CD/DVD drive slot, replacing the CD/DVD drive.  But this one looks like it's a replacement for the primary drive caddy, as described by jmcg.
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jmcgOwnerCommented:
What the video shows matches my D630 (I did take it apart, just for you): no interposer, not much more than a bezel attached at the non-interface end of the SATA drive.

So the Dell part in question is a mystery. People on eBay say that it's for the D620 D630, but I doubt that they're correct. The D610 (which I'm typing on, and am not going to take apart), takes IDE drives and has a more elaborate caddy and the interposer.
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akahanCommented:
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akahanCommented:
I think I *might* understand what's going on here.  The only thing you need to put a hard drive in the regular hard drive slot in the D630 is the black plastic bezel that screws to the hard drive and fits flush with the opening in the computer's casing.   It looks to me like this 0Gx466, whatever it is, has that same bezel.  So you could unscrew the bezel from the 0Gx466, discard the rest of it, and use the bezel to replace the original that came with the D630.

Here's what the bezel looks like by itself:

http://www.amazon.com/Drive-Caddy-Laptop-Dell-Latitude/dp/B005UJXSZU/
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jmcgOwnerCommented:
The caddy in the picture has what appears to be a PATA ZIF connector most often seen on 1.8in drives that Dell used for some of its smaller form-factor laptops. The circuit board apparently handles the conversion between SATA and PATA (not that unusual, but there's usually no room for such a thing in most laptop hard drive bays.
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akahanCommented:
Right, but what I'm saying is that the people on eBay who are selling it as a "D620 drive caddy" probably just mean that you can take the plastic bezel off the end of it, and use the bezel, alone, as a replacement for the hard drive bezel on the D620... there's no tray, because the D620 doesn't take a tray.  So you just  throw the rest of the 0GX466 away.
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akahanCommented:
Here's another view, this time of the "caddy" without the bezel: seller claims it's a ruggedized enclosure for the hard drive in the D620:

http://www.txcesssurplus.com/new-dell-gx466-80gb-rugged-hard-drive-for-latitude-d620-d630-atg/
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jmcgOwnerCommented:
)[Missed a closing paren at the end of my last post]

This site's description seems right to me:

GX466 DELL 1.8INCH PATA ZIF SATA HARD DRIVE CARRIER ASSEMBLY P/N: GX466

http://www.eharddrivesdeals.com/gx466.html

since it agrees with what we see and what several other sites have described for this part number. (I searched at dell.com, but got no hits.)

So it's a carrier for a drive type that was never all that common. Hopefully we've explained this in enough detail to help you avoid buying the wrong thing.
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jmcgOwnerCommented:
Ruggedized, as in using the size difference between a 2.5in drive and a 1.8in drive to add some padding. Perhaps these were normal on the "ATG" versions of the laptop? All gone, now, driven out by SSDs.
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lewisoAuthor Commented:
Thanks everybody for this research.  AKAHAN you have narrowed it down quite a bit with that "view" that you posted.  But what does that interface hook into in the D620?   As JMCG just said, maybe it's for the "ATG" versions of the D620, which might be completely different? What is "ATG?"


Now does that interface look like it would hook up to a Desktop SATA connection?

Thanks.
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akahanCommented:
Doesn't look like it would hook up to a Desktop SATA connection.
What are you trying to accomplish?
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lewisoAuthor Commented:
JMCG, please note, that in MY D620, the standard SATA drive goes into its bay without any housing or caddy; what they call the caddy in this case is just the handle that screws onto the outer part of the drive so that you have something to grab when you take it out.

The media bay can take a DVD/CD or a battery, OR  a drive caddy which is needed because this bay has multiple apps and is too big for the naked drive.   And as to drive caddies for that bay, there are two types; one is for a sata drive, just like what sits in the main hard drive bay, and a different older ide drive - (i think pata ide it's called); which is the older ide laptop interface with all the pins in sort of a miniature version of the desktop version.
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jmcgOwnerCommented:
The interface on your GX466 caddy looks to be a normal SATA connector for a 2.5in drive.  And the SATA connector on a 3.5in drive. So, yes, you could plug it into a desktop system.

It's the connector inside the caddy that is going to present you with a problem. Do you have a 1.8in drive with a PATA ZIF socket?

"ATG" was probably marketing-speak to invoke the idea of "all-terrain" something. We had some of these at one place where I worked and they did indeed hold up better than standard laptops in the "on the boat, in the field" sorts of situations, but still had their share of failures. But they would not have changed the internal interface away from standard SATA and, based on appearances, it is standard SATA.
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lewisoAuthor Commented:
JMCG  - I  don't have any of these except the standard stuff i mentioned in my last post.   It was something I was considering buying.  I still might get it if i can use it to connect the laptop hard drive to a desktop.  

I think the ZIF socket thing has been part of what's confusing me; I don't know about that.

But again, what are you supposed to do, on a laptop, with that male-type interface that the caddy in the picture has?
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akahanCommented:
All you need to connect a laptop hard drive to a desktop is a SATA cable.
If that's your goal, you don't need anything this elaborate.
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jmcgOwnerCommented:
Forget about the GX466. It does not do what you want.

Go back to Gary Case's ID: 40637677: this sort of 2.5 to 3.5 adapter is needed if you want to securely mount a 2.5 drive in a 3.5 bay in the desktop. It's not needed if the desktop has bays for a 2.5in drive already.

Inside the desktop, the SATA drive requires two cables. One is a SATA data cable that connects to the motherboard or add-in SATA controller card. The other cable is from the power supply. What you called the "male-type" connector has two parts. The shorter part is data, the longer part is for power. If your power supply doesn't have SATA power connectors, or enough of them, there are adapters you can buy to convert or extend the available power connectors to allow for the new drive.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Busy thread  :-)

I had looked up the part # you listed, but a quick scan of an e-bay listing looked like it was just the carrier for a standard laptop drive.    Looking more closely at the e-bay listing and the other links shown in this thread, it's clearly NOT a carrier for a 2.5" drive -- it's a carrier for a 1.8" drive that adapts it to a 2.5" slot.     So with a D620, you could use a 2.5" drive with just the bezel; or you can use a 1.8" drive low-insertion force IDE drive with this carrier.

Here's the drive it was typically sold with:  http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-MK8009GAH-2-5-80GB-4200RPM/dp/B000YJ0MYG

The adapter DOES convert the IDE interface on the drive to SATA (which is what the D620's native interface is) ... so you COULD indeed use this carrier to connect one of these old 1.8" drives to a desktop.

... but I can't imagine why you'd want to :-)
As I noted earlier, if your goal is to simply connect a laptop SATA drive to a desktop, there's NO difference in the connectors between 2.5" and 3.5" SATA drives.    It's simply a physical size difference -- which you can accommodate by using Velcro to secure the smaller drive to a 3.5" mounting plate;  or you can screw it to a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter and then install that in a standard 3.5" drive bay.
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lewisoAuthor Commented:
It looks like my confusion was due to the fact that the ebay seller said that it's for a 2.5 drive and really it's for a 1.8 drive.  
Thanks for all the help.  The seller agreed to cancel the sale.  It also became evident that some other sellers -as pointed out in the thread-had a different, correct description of the unit.

The seller readily agreed to cancel the sale, so no problem there.

I'll try to give out the points in view of order of response and content, but will surely make mistakes.

Again, thanks,  Lewis.
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