Veeam Server Location for Managing Remote Site?

Hello

Our Veeam server is a physical one at head office managing backups/replicas here with no problems so far.

We will need to backup our VMs that are at a remote site (not going to replicate them yet).  Would you use the Veeam server at HQ site or build a second veeam server here?  The link is over a WAN/VPN over 10mb to 4mb..
Would we then need a second licence?

Thanks
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
WAN Backup will be Slower, that's a given.

So if you want to make faster local backups, use a local server.

Central Management, use a single server, you will need an additional license.
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CHI-LTDAuthor Commented:
The backups will be done at the remote site to the remote storage device but managed by the veeam server over the WAN.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
That will be fine.
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getzjdCommented:
You don't need a full server at the remote site.  You just need a Veeam proxy and repository at the remote site.  You can then simply schedule the job and still manage it from the HQ server interface.
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Alessandro ScafariaInfrastructure Premier Field AdministratorCommented:
This is your scenario:

veeam-remote-site.pdf

I attached also all the slides of this Veeam webinary....I hope it helps.....
architecture-v3-tdewin.pdf
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Bryant SchaperCommented:
you will need a backup repository server and ideally local storage, you could then replicate that.  How much data we talking.
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CHI-LTDAuthor Commented:
So tests proved too slow.
plan on continuing with acronis at this site for local backups of VMs and move to veeam at live site.  Should be adequate.
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getzjdCommented:
If anything is slow, then it is not due to having a centralized Veeam server.   Your Veeam Proxy and Backup Repository are the bottlenecks in this case and not the controlling server.

Can you post a screen shot of your log results making sure to show the read speed of each disk as well as the bottleneck sources  i.e. Source, Proxy, Network, Target etc
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CHI-LTDAuthor Commented:
i ended up cancelling the job as too slow.
i have another job scheduled to run tonight so will see what state its in tomorrow
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getzjdCommented:
Can you provide more information such as:

-Size of VM(s) being backed up
-What Mode you are using for the backup at the remote site?  What is the speed of the connection between the host and the proxy/repository
- When configuring the backup in the central console, did you manually pick which Proxy to use rather than whatever the system defaulted to?  If Veeam picked automatically, It may have picked the proxy on your controlling server thus the backup would be painfully slow
--What type of disks are your Veeam repository held on at the remote site?

Screenshots of the Veeam logs such as what I attached would be helpful.   Also, if you have Veeam support, they will gladly work with you to identify the bottleneck. Veeam 2  Veeam 1
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CHI-LTDAuthor Commented:
-Size of VM(s) being backed up - testing a single VM which is 370
-What Mode you are using for the backup at the remote site?  What is the speed of the connection between the host and the proxy/repository - not sure i follw regards mode?.  - connection is 10mb to 4mb / VPN
- When configuring the backup in the central console, did you manually pick which Proxy to use rather than whatever the system defaulted to?  If Veeam picked automatically, It may have picked the proxy on your controlling server thus the backup would be painfully slow - using the defaults
--What type of disks are your Veeam repository held on at the remote site?  - not sure i follow?
job-transfer.jpg
VM-size.jpg
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getzjdCommented:
In your screenshots, you are configuring a replication job and not a backup job.   A replication job will pull the data across your WAN link to your repository at your main site.   Your initial request stated you want to back them up and that you were not going to replicate them yet.

What Mode you are using for the backup at the remote site?  -  Veeam backups use Direct SAN Access, Virtual Appliance or Network Mode.  veeam1.JPG
 What is the speed of the connection between the host and the proxy/repository -----------------  What is your network speed at the remote site between the VMware host and the veeam proxy?  I..e are they both plugged into 1Gbps ports?

What type of disks are your Veeam repository held on at the remote site?  - The speed of your repository and the speed of your host drives has a direct effect on how fast the backup runs.

Remember, you are configuring a BACKUP and not a replication like you showed in your screenshots.   You will configure the backup on your main veeam server.  YOu will have a Veeam proxy server and repository setup at the remote site that you choose as your proxy and repository for the backups.   You can then choose to configure a backup copy job to copy those backups over to your primary site if you want to keep an offsite copy.    

You will, however, need to license each vSphere host that you do backup.   You pay per host, not per proxy or repository.
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CHI-LTDAuthor Commented:
Sorry, i have moved on from the backups to replications, as the backups were taking too long (weve decided to stick with acronis at the remote site for backups).

i don't seem to have the option to edit vmware proxy as in your screen shot
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Alessandro ScafariaInfrastructure Premier Field AdministratorCommented:
i don't seem to have the option to edit vmware proxy as in your screen shot
Follow this guide to add a Microsoft Windows Server on your Replication Site in order to handle the workload e test your task again...

http://helpcenter.veeam.com/backup/80/vsphere/add_vmware_proxy.html

Let us know....
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getzjdCommented:
With your replication, you may want to pull a local backup to a USB drive, transfer that drive to your main site where the VM is to be replicated and use that local backup as a seed for your initial replication job.  This will then only replicate the deltas from the remote site instead of the entire virtual machine.
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CHI-LTDAuthor Commented:
proxy transport settings are automatic.

would you recommend using the ovf tool http://www.virtuallyghetto.com/2012/06/how-to-copy-vms-directly-between-esxi.html to export to usb?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
would you recommend using the ovf tool http://www.virtuallyghetto.com/2012/06/how-to-copy-vms-directly-between-esxi.html to export to usb?

That's New question, and off topic here!
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getzjdCommented:
I would not use automatic proxy when dealing with remote proxy and repository.  I find it is more reliable.    

The original questions were, "We will need to backup our VMs that are at a remote site (not going to replicate them yet).  Would you use the Veeam server at HQ site or build a second veeam server here?  The link is over a WAN/VPN over 10mb to 4mb..
 Would we then need a second licence?"
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CHI-LTDAuthor Commented:
so use network mode?
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getzjdCommented:
If you are talking about Transport Mode as in the screenshot above,  that is entirely based on your configuration.  At a minimum, you will want to make sure you leave the failover to network mode box checked.
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CHI-LTDAuthor Commented:
thats ticked.
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CHI-LTDAuthor Commented:
think we have got there.  managed to setup replication of a test VM offsite, albeit slow.
now to test exchange in production!
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