Has anyone got DOS/Win3.1 drivers for a WDC WD83C690-JT network card?

I have Trumpet Winsock and a WDC WD83C690-JT ethernet card. When I plug it in it shows a power light on the router end but not on the computer's end (might be that it just doesn't have a light at all on it). I'm trying to find drivers for this card however. Generic 3Com drivers don't seem to work unfortunately, and ISA related drivers don't seem to work either - I'd have thought the network card was ISA compatible. The BIOS seems to show an ISA 'Add-in Device' as a UPNPFFFFF. Anyone have any ideas or know where I can find these or similar drivers that will work as I have been looking everywhere? Any help is greatly appreciated! Many thanks!
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Windows 3.1 is so long dead and rotted that no current card is likely to work in that environment.

Can you not consider a more modern operating system?
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Hi John, this is merely for my own personal experimentation and I don't plan to use it for work, business or any type of commercial purpose. I'm quite certain it will work however as long as I can find working drivers for it.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I have a Windows 95 virtual machine that supports modern (VMware) networks, but I have nothing that works with Windows 3.1 - the key issues being drivers.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Thanks for your response again John. Just to confirm I'm not using a virtual machine, I'm using a Compaq Prolinea 575e. I've seen videos and articles made in the last couple of years with people managing to get their Windows 3.1 installation working on the internet, on both virtual machines and physical machines. I think this is just a case of finding another network card where there's DOS/Win3.1 drivers you find easily, or trying to find someone who knows the best way I can solve this with my current card. Hopefully someone else can help!
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Is this VMware Workstation?  You need VMware Tools installed for networking to work. There are no VMware Tools for Windows 3.1. I have tried it and is does not work. So the farthest I go back is Windows 95. This works on my Windows 8.1 host with VMware Workstation 11.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Hi John, I repeat I am not using a virtual machine - I am using a physical Compaq Prolinea 575e machine. But as stated in my last post I have seen people succeed with getting their network working on Windows 3.1 on both physical and virtual machines.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
If your host machine is 32-bit, you can try:

In Config.sys:  DEVICEHIGH=C:\NET\IFSHLP.SYS
In Autoexec.bat:

C:\WINDOWS\net initialize
LH c:\windows\msdlc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\net start

You need the LANMAN drivers for this and they only work in a 32-bit host because they are pure DOS.

I left all this behind when I left XP behind 10 years ago.

Windows 95 and Windows 98 still network in a 64-bit host.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
In a real environment, the issue is not drivers for the card, it is drivers that run in Windows 3.1 for the card. That is a tall order for stuff gone 30 years ago.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Thanks for those answers John. I'll keep them noted and await for anyone else's responses to see if anyone else has any other suggestions. Many thanks!
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Salah Eddine ELMRABETTechnical Lead Manager (Owner)Commented:
Hi,

It's funny to hear that Win95 and Win3.11 still running in the 21 century :)

I think you can find what's you'r looking for here

http://ftp.mpoli.fi/unpacked/hardware/net/digital/dec_400.zip/dec_400.exe

The release not document shows your ISA card reference:

http://ftp.mpoli.fi/unpacked/hardware/net/digital/dec_400.zip/_dec_400.exe/release.doc

Best Regards.

Salah
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Salah - it's always nice to bring back the nostalgic years for a personal hobby :)

I really appreciate this find. However, when I attempt to run it on the machine through a floppy disk, it extracts which is all good - it extracts 3 files (dll.exe, install.doc, release.doc). But when I run the dll.exe it says this:

"OEM Datalink Version V3.0.5   SMC
This data link driver was written by SMC,
which is solely responsible for its maintenance and support.
Please run SCH before starting Datalink"

Any idea where I can find this 'SCH'? Many thanks!

EDIT: Just to add, if anyone knows a card that works with DOS/Win3.1 which has common, easy to find drivers or drivers that come with it, I would be more than happy to replace my current card with such card.
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
I still make money with my Windows 3.1 system.  I am using an Artisoft network card.  Anything that is NE-2000 compatible will work.  You also have to get and install MS-TCP to get the TCP/IP part working before you can get Trumpet Winsock working.  Look here http://sdfox7.com/win31.htm but you should virus check the files before trying to use them.
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Salah Eddine ELMRABETTechnical Lead Manager (Owner)Commented:
Hi,

The link I provided contains much old software and drivers for OLD OS!!

You can make a search on the site, just type site: on the google search bar to specify the site you will search on:

IE:  site:ftp.mpoli.fi net

Best regards.

Salah
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Thanks for your replies. I will certainly keep those links handy however the driver Salah provided seems to be correct. But I just need to know how to solve the "Please run SCH before starting Datalink" message I am getting. I can't find any SCH on the site when searching it through Google either: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=site:ftp.mpoli.fi+sch

Any further help appreciated!
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
Have you installed MS TCP/IP so the Trumpet Winsock has an IP network to work with?
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Just to confirm, the message "Please run SCH before starting Datalink" was shown in DOS and not in Win3.1. However, I ran the tcp32b.exe file that was downloaded from the link you provided above, and it extracted/inflated files into a directory. Not sure if this is all I have to do to install the MS TCP/IP however I can confirm this is done now. Is there anything else you need to confirm? Many thanks!
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
There are instructions on where certain files must go and TCP/IP doesn't work until you are in Windows although it must start when you boot into DOS.  Trumpet Winsock only works in Windows also.  It's a little complicated but then they were just figuring all this out.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
I can't seem to find anywhere in the readme file that says anything about where the files should go. Is it possible to get assistance with this? My main concern however is the driver currently, I don't want to have to go through with all of this until I'm certain I can find a working driver, then I can setup the TCP/IP and such.
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
I don't remember being able to check the driver without the network being installed.  It's the network that connects to the driver.  And that has to be setup in Windows.  At least it did on my machine.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Fair enough. I somehow need to find a way to setup the network then as I am completely lost right now.

Perhaps you or someone could recommend a network card for me that'll fit the machine I have that has confirmed drivers that will work so I can setup the network correctly to someone's knowledge who knows a card that works.
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
Do you have ISA (old fashioned way) or PCI slots for your plugin cards?  I have an Artisoft AE-2 card but they are old ISA cards.  I believe they are the same as NE-2000 cards.  Also, do you have Windows 3.1 or Windows for Workgroups 3.11?  It's been so long I'm not sure which way I set all this up.  I have ended up with WfW 3.11 with Microsoft TCP/IP network, the TCP32B.exe program.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
I have Windows 3.1, but I can re-install it to Windows for Workgroups 3.11 if need be. Do you think that would help?

I'm also pretty sure the card is ISA. The port looks far too long to be PCI. Here's a picture if it's of any help: http://terrum.org/uploads/1426816013.jpg
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
Yep, that's an ISA card, you can tell by the connector and that a PCI card mounts with connectors on the other side of the mounting bracket.  You will end up with WfW 3.11 no matter which way you go so it wouldn't hurt to install that anyway.  Somewhere in there is also the Win32S extension that is needed by the Winsock.  Although I have upgraded computers several times, my Win 3.1 system started in about 1992 and I just kept adding things to it.
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
By the way, there is Microsoft networking for DOS but it is not compatible with Microsoft TCP/IP and eats up lots of ram in the low address area.  You really don't want that either.
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Craig BeckCommented:
I still have customers running 3.1, especially in manufacturing environments where machinery requires it for compatibility purposes.

Anyhow, the card is indeed an ISA card.  AFAIK the 575e only had ISA slots on its board - I used to own one myself.  You'd need 16-bit drivers for DOS and Win3.1 though - there was no 32-bit support back then unless you're running DOS 6.22.

I'm going back a bit now but I'm sure the card will install and TCP/IP should work in DOS providing you get the right driver.  I used to run hundreds of different network cards in DOS in order to image the PC from a PQDI server via TCP/IP years ago.  However, you should probably use WfWG3.11 in order to get native 32-bit support for TCP/IP in Windows.  It was only available via a Winsock add-on in 3.1 and IIRC that was only 16-bit.

I have to say, XP wasn't dead 10 years ago - It was released in 2001 and went out of extended support last year.  It was the OS of choice for thousands of enterprises.  I have customers who would still be running it if they had their way.  In fact, one of the largest global manufacturing companies has just migrated to Windows 7 from XP.  I believe that Microsoft actually extended the end-of-support date just for them because they failed to meet their original deadline to migrate.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
I don't plan to use the networking or internet for DOS, so that shouldn't be a problem. I just require getting it working on Windows 3.1, at the very least! :)

However, I'll try install Windows 3.11 for Workgroups then the TCP/IP software, but I don't know if it'll fix the SCH error I'm getting.
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Salah Eddine ELMRABETTechnical Lead Manager (Owner)Commented:
Hi,

Installing WIN3.11 for workgroup, means enabling TCP/IP

Since the ISA adapter is a network device, WIndows kernel must have TCP/IP socket to use the adapter.

Regards
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Craig BeckCommented:
@salah - Back in the day Windows could use NetBEUI or IPX for example - TCP/IP was optional, so you don't actually 'need' to use any particular protocol stack to use the NIC.  The choice is up to the user :-)
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Salah Eddine ELMRABETTechnical Lead Manager (Owner)Commented:
hehehehe you are right!! forgive me!! I I just remember when we install TCP/IP and add memory to 486 based PC in order to run IE and connect to Internet when nobody knows :)
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
While I do have NetBEUI enabled on my Win 3.11 system, only one other computer here has it enabled.  All the rest are just TCP/IP so I have to have TCP/IP to talk to them.  I actually have a copy of the old NSCA web server running on that machine.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Thanks all for your patience. I've now just finished installing Windows 3.11 for Workgroups on the machine. In the Network Setup there are no network drivers that match my card. I tried hitting 'Detect' so it could automatically detect the card I have installed but it said it could not detect a network adapter in my computer (Just so no one forgets, I'll repeat that there's a light on the router when I have the machine plugged into it through my ethernet cable, so there is definitely power to it, but as my knowledge is lacking I don't know if the jumpers are not set correctly or if this would be related to the issue at all). I however also tried the following drivers to no avail:

3Com EtherLink 16
3Com EtherLink II or IITP (8 or 16-bit)
3Com EtherLink III
3Com EtherLink/MC
(All drivers were provided by Disk 7 & 8 of the Windows 3.11 for Workgroups installation)

I'm still not entirely sure what to do with the recently extracted tcp32b folder either. But I still think I need to install the necessary driver for the network card first before I install TCP/IP.

EDIT: It might also be important to add that it doesn't show any TCP/IP in the 'Add Network Protocol', whilst I understand the tcp32b needs to have its files placed somewhere where Windows can read it, I'm still unsure as to where this is. Any help is still greatly appreciated!
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
This page ftp://ftp.ntplx.net/pub/networking/wfw/update.txt tells where to put the files.  Check the README.TXT file that is included with TCP32B.exe.

If you look on eBay for Novell NE-2000, you will find a card that almost certainly has a driver in Win 3.11.  The Novell NE-1000 is just about the prototype network card and the Novell NE-2000 is the version with an RJ-45 connector on it.  There are a lot of ISA based network cards there.

And I found your card on eBay.  They only want $160 for it.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Western-Digital-WDC-WD8013W-61-600319-04-Network-ISA-Card-/370946446769?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item565e2195b1
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
$160 for the card I currently have - that's insane! So I think I'll end up selling it on and getting a Novell NE-2000 instead. Unfortunately I'm from UK so stock here is pretty differential to the USA. Is this card the Novell NE-2000 you were talking about? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361045970450

Additionally, I've found an IBM card here which is considerably cheaper and which I have drivers for: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331501470043 (drivers: http://www.drivers76.com/13h9263/ )

Do you think the IBM card would be a good choice or is it missing something vital compared to the Novel NE-2000 one? Thanks again for all your answers Dave you have genuinely been incredibly helpful as well as other posters here!
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
Yes, that's the Novell card I was referring to.  But if you think you have the drivers for the IBM card, you might as well try it I guess.  The only ISA network card I have left is an Intel PRO-10 card.  I use the PRO-100 cards in many of my machines because they just seem to always install and work right.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Sure, I'll update the thread accordingly when I receive the card and fit it.

However, I followed the manual advanced installation path which seemed to be as simple as extracting the files into C:\WINDOWS but TCP/IP still doesn't seem to show as a protocol on the network. I know it's not much use saying this now - but when I fit the new card I'll update anyway!
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
The page I linked above says that some files need to go into C:\<win_root>\SYSTEM directory which is where drivers are typically found.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
My bad - thanks for that! I moved the .386 files and a single .exe file to the SYSTEM directory of my Windows directory, and all the other .exe files to the Windows directory now, as the advanced installation method shows. After doing TCP/IP still doesn't show as a protocol on any adapters I choose.

There is however still some files it extracted which are not mentioned in the installation such as a 'hosts.sam' file and a 'networks' file which sound important, any idea where I would put these? I can list all the remaining files if it helps.
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
I'm sure I have all of the files.  'hosts.sam' is a prototype 'hosts' file like you would find on any other computer with TCP/IP.  Did you restart Windows after moving the files?  You say it doesn't show up.  Are you viewing that in the Network setup window?
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Yes I did reboot, and I am doing it through the Network setup window from the 'Network' group icon that shows when you boot into Windows.
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
Ok, that's where it should show up.  But like I said, I set my system up years ago and I've forgotten a lot since then.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Sorted it - I extracted the tcp32b.exe file and instead I selected 'unlisted or updated protocol' and selected the extracted folder and it added the TCP/IP for me. That's one check off the list. Just need to wait for the card to come now before continuing!
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
Good!  That's progress.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Here's my update! I'm very pleased to say that I installed the card today and managed to get it setup flawlessly. tcp32b's ping and FTP feature both work and I tested upload/download and it all seems to function fine! I will be setting multiple solutions accordingly very soon.

One last thing, I have IE 5.0 installed onto the machine, but it doesn't seem to be picking up any internet at all no matter if I type an IP or a domain. What would be the best way to diagnose this?

Just to confirm, I setup the DNS and DHCP accordingly through the Network setup (no Trumpet Winsock was needed, unless I need it for IE!)
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
Never mind - just solved it! I had to set the Internet settings from dialer to LAN! I will be setting solutions now.

Salah - thank you for your link it was helpful and allowed us to research the issue further!

Dave - incredible help! Very fast with responses and extremely detailed. Can't thank you enough!

I appreciate anyone else who contributed to this thread also! Thanks again for all your help guys
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
I'm surprised that IE5 even works on that machine.  I think I only have IE3 on mine along with Netscape 4.
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
IE5 is available for 16-bit, so I'm not too surprised. But would you recommend a better or more 'modern' browser that I could use perhaps? Your knowledge and experience seems of top quality so I would be happy to take any recommendations you have!
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
No, all of the more 'modern' browsers require Win32 to run.  Where did you get 16-bit IE5?
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Ben GoughWebmaster at EpicHosts.co.ukAuthor Commented:
I got it from Oldversion: http://www.oldversion.com/windows/internet-explorer-5-01-windows-3-1

If I could get Win32 apps to run on my Windows 3.1 installation, using Win32s Extensions on http://www.win31.de/esoft.htm do you think I'd be able to use a Win32 browser then? If so, would you be able to recommend a browser in that case? Many thanks!
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Dave BaldwinFixer of ProblemsCommented:
No, the Win32s extension is required to run the older browsers I believe.  It is Not the Win32 used in later versions of Windows.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I only used Netscape with Windows 3.1. The earliest version of IE I had was V4 and that was with Windows 95..
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