Private self-hosted WAN VM backup, replication without VPN - Idera, Veeam

I am looking for solutions whereby I can backup/replicate Windows VM's from one physical site to another across a WAN without necessarily having a VPN tunnel between the two sites and not having a third-party hoster. Assume that both sites have their own static IP's.  I have read a bit about Veeam and Idera/Risoft but am not sure if their solutions include a cross-the-WAN not VPN solution or if they left me somehow be my own cloud provider . I would be interested in hearing from Experts who have used either/both of these products or any other product that might do this. I know about Windows Replica but am looking for another solution.
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David Johnson, CD, MVPOwnerCommented:
site-site vpn is the best solution.. without a vpn then there is NAT that we have to worry about.

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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
How automted do you want this?

and how up to date?

internet at both sites ?
lineonecorpAuthor Commented:
As per my note each site would have a public static IP and an Internet connection. Traffic would not necessarily be very large - in other words the delta each hour in most cases would not be in the gigabyte area. If however we needed a larger pipe we could get one. The question is whether Idera or Risoft are able to do their remote backup without VPN and I was hoping somebody who had worked with those products would respond.  Of course I am open to other products/solutions that could do the same thing.
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Are you wanting an automated solution?

We use Gigasoft DataBackup
http://www.gigasoftdatabackup.com/

When we do not have site to site VPNs, and the data at Site A is replicated to the Cloud, and at Site B, it's replicated Back.
Mike SmithEnterprise VoIP & ISP BrokerCommented:
Is it a lot of data?  Have you considered running MPLS between the two sites?
lineonecorpAuthor Commented:
Andrew Hancock:

Thanks. As far as Gigasoft is it completely self-hosted, private? I do not want any third party aspect.

Mike Smith: I need a self-hosted secure private  backup/replication package - bandwidth is a separate issue if that's why you are referring to MPLS.
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
thats fine!
lineonecorpAuthor Commented:
'That's fine', I take it means that Gigasoft is self-hosted private?
lineonecorpAuthor Commented:
Does Gigasoft have the ability like Veeam Cloud and Idera to create one's own cloud?
David Johnson, CD, MVPOwnerCommented:
no it is hosted on their servers
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
They are a Storage Cloud Provider. You stated you didn't want any third party, so didn't think you were interested.
lineonecorpAuthor Commented:
Andrew Hancock:
Sorry, by third party  I meant third-parties involved in storing the data, not third-party software to do the actual backup. Given that can you recommend a product? Have you worked with Veeam or Idera products that do this self-hosting?
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Given that can you recommend a product? Have you worked with Veeam or Idera products that do this self-hosting?

No.
Aaron TomoskyDirector of Solutions ConsultingCommented:
Can the vms be shutdown or does this need to be live? Are they on some sort of shared storage?
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Maybe consider Double Take HA which we also use, to do your replication, it works on physical servers, virtual servers, inside the OS, outside of the OS.

You can also replicate a physical server to any server, for standbye, and on failover, will reconfigure that destination server on shutdown, and on restarting will become the original server.

http://www.visionsolutions.com/solutions/high-availability-and-disaster-recovery/overview
lineonecorpAuthor Commented:
Thanks. I will take a look at this.
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