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Vsphere Essentials? vmotion/storage

Hey there

I have a very small Vsphere Essentials environment with local storage,  I would LOVE it if a SAN was in their budget, but it is not. Due to a project for Bus Cont and yet needing more resources adding a second host with local storage will be required.  I have more experience with larger environments with SANS.
 
Question I - if I add a second host, what are my options and what licensing would I need, to be able to do vmotion/storage vmotion - with two hosts each of which only has local storage (VMFS parts).  So if I were to lose or have to rebuilt a host or even using HA for that matter.
I can always bring things up on the other host.

Question II
For Bus Continuity was planning on using Veeam to replicate local servers/handful of virtual desktops to cloud provider using Veeam to an ESX host that will reside at the hosting company yet be a member of the local Vsphere environment.  So the main local host will just replicate delta diffs say 4x per hour possibly.  If there is a catastrophic failure - users will SSL VPN, and have all server resources available, and the ability to RDP in to a virtual desktop at the hosting co to manipulate files on the replicated servers. (Thoughts/ideas)?

LICOMPGUY (Running 5.1/5.5 Essentials but can upgrade)..

Thanks!
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
To do vMotion and Storage vMotion, VMware HA you would need shared storage.

VMware vSphere essentials has no upgrade path, the last time we looked, and therefore you would need to purchase vCenter Server Standard, vSphere Standard

Q1. vCenter Server Standard & vSphere Standard

http://www.vmware.com/uk/products/vsphere/compare

Q2. Yes, this is possible. Depends on the applications, and bandwidth, as RDP is not the best connection protocol.
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LICOMPGUYAuthor Commented:
Thanks for the reply.  What about cold migration from local storage on one host to another?

I thought there was an upgrade path - if not can purchase a different license, but just trying to find out what my options are with getting guests off one one host (local datastore) to another.

Any experience with any lowcost, reliable, shared storage options?  I dont think they want to open their wallets for a second host nevermind a SAN.

What if I just use Veeam to replicate the delta diff to the other host (depends on whether  I need to buy it for two hosts. or Acronis for VMware 9?

Probably use a Ciscso SSL VPN Client to establish the P2P from home to hosted VMs then RDP.  Not liking that?
Thanks!!

Stuart
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
What about cold migration from local storage on one host to another?

Yes, that will work, when the VM is OFF.

There is no upgrade path, from Essentials or Essentials Plus, you would have to check with your VMware Account Manager. Essentials are start business editions.

You can purchase any license you like, providing you may the money.

Any experience with any lowcost, reliable, shared storage options?  I dont think they want to open their wallets for a second host nevermind a SAN.

Yes, many - what budget do you have ?

Veeam Backup and replication can replicate between hosts without share storage.

Probably use a Ciscso SSL VPN Client to establish the P2P from home to hosted VMs then RDP.  Not liking that?
- fine if you have the bandwidth.
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compdigit44Commented:
What about "Share nothing vMotion or the Virtual Storage Appliance which takes three host local storage and presents it as block storage...
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LICOMPGUYAuthor Commented:
Not familiar with Share nothing Vmotion - as for VSA - can look into it, I think it is quite costly though.
Have you any experience with either?

Thanks!
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Share nothing Vmotion - It's part of VMware vSphere.

I would recommend vSAN over VSA!
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compdigit44Commented:
Do they not have vCenter?? If not and they want to use VSA they need to get vCenter
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LICOMPGUYAuthor Commented:
vsphere comes with vcenter sure.

Running 5.1 Essentials

Trying to determine which is the lowest cost ver of VMware that includes share nothing vmotion, sounds like that may be a good alternative for smaller firms such as this!.

Isnt VSA VERY expensive?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Enhanced vMotion (Shared Nothing vMotion) as it's been nicknamed, is available in any version that has vMotion.

So VMware vSphere Essentials Plus could be the cheapest option!
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LICOMPGUYAuthor Commented:
VMWare sales said there is an upgrade path between Essential and Essentials Plus - but they haven't been able to answer if it includes share nothing vmotion!  Any one know the answer to this?

Thanks!!!
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
It's included in  Essentials Plus.
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compdigit44Commented:
If you scroll down  to the bottom of the page in the following link, it will list was features are included in Essentials Plus..

http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere/compare
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LICOMPGUYAuthor Commented:
It doesnt specifically state it-  unless I am missing it.   - Andrew - are you sure?
Thanks guys!!
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compdigit44Commented:
Yes, vMotion is included and with ESXi 5.1 and greater vMotion supported share nothing migrations.
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LICOMPGUYAuthor Commented:
BUT is share nothing vmotion included in Essentials PLUS for small environments?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Shared Nothing vMotion, which is a nick name which has been give to it, is what is called Enhanced vMotion.

This is a feature of vMotion, which was one of the newer features added in 5.1 and later. vMotion is uncluded with Essentials Plus.

see here

Hold on, you are mentioning Storage vMotion, but I have Essential Plus license, do I need to upgrade to Standard?
To be honest I try to keep away from the licensing debate as far as I can, but this seems to be the most popular question. If you have an Essential Plus license you can leverage all these enhancements of vMotion in vSphere 5.1. You are not required to use a standard license if you are going to migrate to a shared storage destination datastore. For any other licensing question or remark, please contact your local VMware SE / account manager.


Source
http://frankdenneman.nl/2012/09/07/vsphere-5-1-vmotion-deepdive/

also here

http://www.vladan.fr/vmware-enhanced-vmotion/
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compdigit44Commented:
Sorry have a bad habit of calling it Share Nothing Migration still..... ;-)
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LICOMPGUYAuthor Commented:
Hey there

I think it is me actually and not you.
They have Essentials - I would MOVE them to Essentials plus if it can do this - so the answer in Essentials Plus is........
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compdigit44Commented:
Yes Essentials Plus will do vMotion with and without shared storage..

http://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2012/09/vmotion-without-shared-storage-requirement-does-it-have-a-name.html

vMotion without the shared storage requirement is available in all kits and edition that have vMotion included. This means, if you are using vMotion today, the moment you upgrade to vSphere 5.1, you can migrate virtual machines between hosts without the need of shared storage and without any downtime.
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LICOMPGUYAuthor Commented:
Cool - thank you!!!!

Essentials however will not - correct?

Thanks again - have a great day!
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Yes correct.

You need Essentials Plus
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LICOMPGUYAuthor Commented:
Thanks so much for  your time with this - super helpful info!!
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
No problems
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