Transferring an encrypted disk from Thinkpad X220 to X230

My SSD is encrypted with McAfee encryption & the X220 is running Win 7.

Just got an X230: can I just move the SSD over from X220 to X230 ?

I was told by our laptop support guys that it will not work due to the
encryption software.  Another  support guy said it will not work due
the differences in X230 & X220's drivers.

Q1:
So will it work if this encrypted SSD is moved over X230?

Q2:
How to update the drivers after the SSD is moved over to the X230?

Q3:
If I were to use Acronis Universal restore, will it update the X230 with
the required drivers?  My version of Acronis is outdated, so if I were
to take bare metal backup, will it allow me to restore ?
sunhuxAsked:
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Mark BillExchange, AD, SQL, VMware, HPE, 3PAR, FUD, Anti MS Tekhnet, Pro EE, #1Commented:
Hey Sunhux,

Q1. No well its hard to say precisely sometimes Windows will boot up with the wrong drivers installed sometimes it will just BSOD even in safe mode.

Q2 Universal Restore.

Q3 Below.

I was just about to say use Acronis Backup and Recovery for this.
Make sure you unencrypt the disk before you do this.

Using Acronis Universal restore will work, for best results please keep a copy of the extracted driver files in a folder and list that folder in the Acronis restore wizard. I would usually do this with a USB drive containing the drivers.

I would have it structured like this.
Laptop Drivers - Top Folder
Audio - Sub Folder(in audio you extract the driver exe file contents)
Network - Sub Folder(in network you extract the driver exe file contents)

Repeat this process and it will work fine

M
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
It is a different machine and different drivers (I have an X230) and moving the encrypted drive over is not going to work. So far as I know Acronis will not update the drivers. I don't think you can move an encrypted drive either.

Start fresh on the new machine and get the data you need from the old machine.

My X230 runs Windows 8.1 very well indeed.
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Mark BillExchange, AD, SQL, VMware, HPE, 3PAR, FUD, Anti MS Tekhnet, Pro EE, #1Commented:
Actually John if you decrypt the drive take an image to an external HD then run Universal restore from an Acronis bootable CD with the external HD attached to the new computer and the drivers on the external HD this will work fine.

Make sure you specify to use Universal Restore in the Acronis restore options for the new machine. Point it to the drivers folder. Windows will do the rest on startup and worst case you may have to point a couple of devices to the driver repository once the image restore is done.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Yes. However, I just never move drives to different machines. Any installation can be improved, and so switching machines is a good time to do this.

Also Windows 7 is past its best before date and on life support. Now is also a time to upgrade operating systems.
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Mark BillExchange, AD, SQL, VMware, HPE, 3PAR, FUD, Anti MS Tekhnet, Pro EE, #1Commented:
That's your opinion, I wouldn't run a corporate network on anything more or less than Windows 7 Pro 64X right now.

A lot of IT pros do not like Windows 8 actually me included. I think the question was more about whether Acronis could do this and yes it can, it works very well I do it all the time actually.

Windows XP went EOL only now, I wouldn't be surprised if MS were still supporting it tbh I received Exchange 2003 support quite recently actually, the chances of Windows 7 actually not being supported in the next 5 years is extremely unlikely.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I use Windows 8 Pro 64-bit as a business consultant and it works great for Server 2012, Server 2008 and Server 2003 (now dead). No issues and I keep it in Desktop mode only to avoid Metro. After 2 years of heavy use in a Corporate environment, I do not see any real negatives.
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David Johnson, CD, MVPOwnerCommented:
Windows 7 Mainstream Support Ended Jan 13th.. Extended support ends Jan 14,2020 (4 Years 8 Months from now)
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Mark BillExchange, AD, SQL, VMware, HPE, 3PAR, FUD, Anti MS Tekhnet, Pro EE, #1Commented:
Windows 7 aint going anywhere its the best operating system for me too.

I have to say if we had the same SSD in the second laptop that would be ideal, but it will work fine with the existing one decrypted, even if we were to have a new SSD in the second laptop we still need the original decrypted before the image is taken.
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McKnifeCommented:
I use encrypted drives on about 100 machines during the last 6 years.
You can move encrypted drives to different machines - no need to decrypt at all. Just make sure, your sata controller driver can be used on the x230, that's the only critical point. Please look up the specs of both machines and tell us what sata controller they have.

That said, be aware of what mode you use the encryption software in! If you utilized the TPM chip, then you will need to follow the procedures McAfee has for this case of moving. Bitlocker encryption for example will require to enter the recovery password when moving drives that are tpm-encrypted. So inform yourself. If your drive is quick, decrypting+re-encrypting it might be faster than finding out what to do...
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Mark BillExchange, AD, SQL, VMware, HPE, 3PAR, FUD, Anti MS Tekhnet, Pro EE, #1Commented:
I've moved from similar hp model A to similar hp model B before and the machine won't even start in safe mode. acronis ur will wipe all these drivers down. we're decrypting only to use acronis ur.

also its not good for an OS to be booted up with the wrong drivers on it god knows what that can do at registry level/system file level.

If the user has Acronis UR available it should be used.
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McKnifeCommented:
Safe mode does not influence sata controller drivers, no wonder :)
You CAN use things like UR, but you don't have to.
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Mark BillExchange, AD, SQL, VMware, HPE, 3PAR, FUD, Anti MS Tekhnet, Pro EE, #1Commented:
IT could well work, ive seen it work many times and not on some others, its actually kind of hard to know exactly what is BSODing the machine definitely does not have to be the Sata controller(which can also be disabled in the bios usually in machines pretty sure id have tried that tbh) but its a risk trying this especially without an image being taken prior. A network driver conflict alone could completely mess up the windows OS.

I think its more of a question of what is the best way to get this done and considering we have UR available, if we had a brand new SSD in the new machine to imagine onto that would be perfect and risk free IMO of course. Everyone has there own.

On top of all this the OS on a fully encrypted disk can be very very flaky. Nevermind the fact Windows cannot recover even using recovery tools from some BSODS. What if we transfer the disk and it BSODS the machine and the fully encrypted disk can never be accessed again? Not even through a Linux based recovery tool.

Ill leave my contribution at that and GL.
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Natty GregIn Theory (IT)Commented:
It will not work
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sunhuxAuthor Commented:
If decryption is needed, how is it done for McAfee?
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Mark BillExchange, AD, SQL, VMware, HPE, 3PAR, FUD, Anti MS Tekhnet, Pro EE, #1Commented:
Hi Sunhux,

If you need to decrypt it open up the encryption product whilst in windows you should find an option to permanently decrypt from here.

M
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sunhuxAuthor Commented:
Thanks, can point me to where to download the following X230's drivers so that
I can have them on hand, in case it BSoD after moving to X230:

Laptop Drivers (presume this includes the motherboard?)  - Top Folder
Audio - Sub Folder(in audio you extract the driver exe file contents)
Network - Sub Folder(in network you extract the driver exe file contents)

any HDD & USB drivers needed?  Understand X220 uses USB2 while X230
uses USB3 ports
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
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sunhuxAuthor Commented:
Another question:
If after login to my currently encrypted X220's Windows 7, I thought of just taking
a Windows 7 "bare metal backup" to a USB HDD, then on the X230's Windows 7,
can I just do a Windows 7 "bare metal restore" & I"ll get back all my apps & settings?

Apps include MS Office, Outlook (with archive pst), various Adobe products,
my 3G USB dongle driver (Huawei) with its dialler, Nero DVD writer, Logitech
unifying software, various USB drivers (including recognizing my Note 2 Android
phone), SnagIT, various PDF writers (cutePdf etc), printers that have been defined,
Cisco VPN client, Ghostscript, Python script interpreter, Real & VLC players, 7-zip,
Irfanview, WinPCap (for Wireshark), winscp & YTD downloader
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sunhuxAuthor Commented:
Or while doing the Win 7  "Bare metal restore", I have to exclude certain Windows
folders so as not to overwrite X230 specific drivers ie drivers that are unique to
X230 hardware (so that it doesn't BSoD)?

In which folder are the X230 drivers found?
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Hardware drivers are often in the INF folder in Windows.
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Mark BillExchange, AD, SQL, VMware, HPE, 3PAR, FUD, Anti MS Tekhnet, Pro EE, #1Commented:
Hey sunhux if your using UR get hold of the drivers extract them into folders as I explained above and specify that folder take the image backup after decryption then recover the image onto the new machine.
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Mark BillExchange, AD, SQL, VMware, HPE, 3PAR, FUD, Anti MS Tekhnet, Pro EE, #1Commented:
sunhux have you decided how your going to proceed with this?
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McKnifeCommented:
Dear Sunhux,

I advised you to look at the lenovo driver pages and see whether those models x220/230 use the same sata controller driver - no reaction from you, yet. So I did and these models do indeed use the same driver here, so switching the drive should work without boot issues. If you have a backup (in any case you should), you run no risk to try and simply switch drives. The other drivers can be installed when windows is up and running. The x230 download page is here:  http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-x-series-laptops/thinkpad-x230
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