inttegrate Windows update to Windows 8.1 ISO

I heard that there are ways to integrate Windows update to Windows 8.1 ISO, what is the way to do it.

I am going to refresh my Windows 8.1 PC as SFC /scannow doesn't work. so I need to do more by refresh my PC without losting any personal setting and apps installation, but I need to prepare an updated/up to date ISO image so the refresh can keep going.

or for refresh I don't need any update to date Windows 8.1 ISO ?

an installed application will be gone ?

once the refresh was done I need to run Windows update again to update my PC ?
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Michael-BestCommented:
"SFC /scannow doesn't work"

First check if you are able to perform SFC Scan in safe mode with Command prompt.
See this guide from answers.microsoft.com

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/sfc-scannow-does-not-work-intraditional-desktop/67aaef0f-4165-4179-a5d1-afa19a694d27

This could have a failing Hard Drive.
Test your Hard Drive first with the makers diagnostics.
You can download this at the makers website or use UBCD
https://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

To ("integrate") slipstream Windows updates to Windows 8.1 ISO

Read this guide by jesseinsf posted on neowin.net
Link:
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1210385-slipstream-update-1-and-other-windows-updates-into-windows-81-guide/
McKnifeCommented:
Against failing updates: Do an in place upgrade and nothing is lost.
About integrating updates: Three steps. Install fresh, update, then use images.exe to create a new install.wim
That's all. That .wim file is then copied to your setup USB drive to the folder sources and overwrites the old one.
*** Hopeleonie ***IT ManagerCommented:
You should just do this:
http://www.7tutorials.com/how-refresh-windows-8-installation-without-losing-your-data

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McKnifeCommented:
Typo: Imagex.exe, not images.exe
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
Michael-Best,

"First check if you are able to perform SFC Scan in safe mode with Command prompt.
See this guide from answers.microsoft.com"

doesn't work mean from me is that it don't fix my problem, it just say some file can't be fixed.

McKnife,

"Against failing updates: Do an in place upgrade and nothing is lost."

how to in place upgrade if it is the same system and the source is older than the installed verison ?


"About integrating updates: Three steps. Install fresh, update, then use images.exe to create a new install.wim
That's all. That .wim file is then copied to your setup USB drive to the folder sources and overwrites the old one."

this mean I lost everything and install everything from sketch, right?
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
If your machine is running Windows 8.1 now (different OS to Windows 8) then a Windows 8 Refresh will keep you at Windows 8.1, keep many of your settings, but make you reinstall most software. Refresh does work.

So if the Windows 8 repair discussed earlier does not work, then you can try a Refresh as you first proposed.

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Michael-BestCommented:
Did you Test your Hard Drive with the makers diagnostics?
Did the HD pass the test?

As stated a Windows 8 Refresh will lose your self installed software.
To keep this software without re-installing it you need make an ISO backup.

If the drive passed the diagnostics tests, and you have decided:
To ("integrate") slipstream Windows updates to Windows 8.1 ISO

Read this guide by jesseinsf posted on neowin.net
Link:
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1210385-slipstream-update-1-and-other-windows-updates-into-windows-81-guide/
McKnifeCommented:
You Can use any 8.1 DVD to repair, just not 8.
To create an integrated DVD you would want a clean system to image.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
tried the sfc /scannow on safe mode, it doesn't work too!
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
To your original question "I was going to refresh my PC"

1. Windows 8.1 is a different operating system to Windows 8 and there is nothing much to integrate. I have not yet heard about a slip-streamed Windows 8.1 DVD but that has nothing to do with Refresh.

2. You will keep numerous settings and all your Windows 8 apps (if you need them) but you will have to re-install your software. We have said that before here.

3. You will need to run Windows update again. There were TWO patch Tuesdays this month. Updates never end.

You can try a Windows 8 Repair Install. I have not done this but support posts are above here.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
John,

"I have not yet heard about a slip-streamed Windows 8.1 DVD but that has nothing to do with Refresh."

so the refresh do not need to search a copy of the Windows 8.1 source and use that to repair/refresh the existing installation ?

if it don't need, once it Is refreshed, then I have to download all security/windows patches AGAIN, this is what will happen, right?

I think the patch silp-streamed works for all version of Windows, right? you can see someone post some links up there, right? so I think it works for all edition ?

"2. You will keep numerous settings and all your Windows 8 apps (if you need them) but you will have to re-install your software. We have said that before here. "

only desktop application like office, right?

"3. You will need to run Windows update again. There were TWO patch Tuesdays this month. Updates never end."

yeah, I believes so.

"
 You can try a Windows 8 Repair Install. I have not done this but support posts are above here. "

I am sorry, which one is repair install ?
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Refresh does not need a Windows 8 / 8.1 DVD to proceed. Many (probably most) Windows 8 systems do not come with DVD media.

You will have to do updates but possibly not all of them. I did refresh a while back and I cannot recall. That was Windows 8 and subsequently (over a year ago), I upgraded to Windows 8.1 and have not had major issues since.

Try this previous post for Windows 8 Repair Install  http:#a40743863  . You can also look here in Windows Eight Forum for a repair install tutorial. You will need a working recovery partition or the Windows 8 DVD:

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/26095-repair-install-windows-8-a.html
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"Refresh does not need a Windows 8 / 8.1 DVD to proceed. Many (probably most) Windows 8 systems do not come with DVD media."

tks but many laptop system I see has the Windows system in the so called recovery partition in the HDD, right?

what I am thinking is when refreshing, how can Windows find a source and replace the existing one so as to REFRESH it?  this process mean reinstall everything but left the user setting and apps there, then must be a source for it to reinstall the OS.

ok one thing, as the Windows at the beginning  is installed as Windows 8 and then upgrade to Windows 8.1, once refreshed, it will be Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 ?

" I did refresh a while back and I cannot recall. That was Windows 8 and subsequently (over a year ago), I upgraded to Windows 8.1 and have not had major issues since."

so this means once refreshed, it will be Windows 8 but not 8.1 ? and I need all latest patches all the way to Windows 8.1 ?

"http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/26095-repair-install-windows-8-a.html"

see this before as one of my notebook failed and someone suggested this. but it works only as long as recovery areas of the laptop is there, it doesn't work for me on that case.

probably this case it is better.

so by that, no even single desktop application will be lost as that method:

Installed Windows Updates will be removed.
Some drivers may or may not be removed, but usually will remain.

?

one thing both repair install and refresh will have my office application reinstall and I have to download all outlook items again or no need for repair installation ?

your case based on Refresh PC will need to have office reinstall again ?

so if I have the Windows 8.1 with update X64 source there then repair installation is better?
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
McKnife,

"Against failing updates: Do an in place upgrade and nothing is lost."

this is what is called repair installation this link is about http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/26095-repair-install-windows-8-a.html ?

"About integrating updates: Three steps. Install fresh, update, then use images.exe to create a new install.wim"

so this only means to me that we need one more PC only for this purpose as I want to have a clean system.

"then use images.exe to create a new install.wim
That's all. That .wim file is then copied to your setup USB drive to the folder sources and overwrites the old one."

so you means here is we need to rebuild a PC from sketch and install with all latest service pack and security patches, and do the imagex.exe (where is the folder contain this?), then a install.wim will be created (and where will it create?).

however it doesn't mean the rest of the source file is the latest version, e.g. after all patches, right?
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
hopeleonie,

I am reading this:

http://www.7tutorials.com/how-refresh-windows-8-installation-without-losing-your-data

and I see this which scare me:

"Dig deeper and you'll find that all personal data on the computer, from all users, is right where you left it, as long as it was stored in standard user folders and libraries."

as I change all my document, photo, video, desktop to another driver as Windows 7/8/8.1 allow us to relocate this type of content from the folder explorer, then I think the folder and libraries is NOT STANDARD anymore, I relocate all these to an local RAID 5 E:\ instead of C:\

any problem by that ? or I need to set it to point to that location again ?
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Refresh does not need a DVD and I think it uses the Winsxs folder but I am not certain.

If you Refresh from 8.1 you stay at 8.1. If you Refresh from 8 you stay at 8.

If you do not have a recovery partition (as you implied) your options are limited.

Any recovery (if successful) will leave some updates to be re-done. How many depends on the recovery.
McKnifeCommented:
"this is what is called repair installation this link is about http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/26095-repair-install-windows-8-a.html ?" - right!
"so this only means to me that we need one more PC only for this purpose as I want to have a clean system" - right. It could be a virtual machine.
"so you means here is we need to rebuild a PC from sketch and install with all latest service pack and security patches, and do the imagex.exe (where is the folder contain this?), then a install.wim will be created (and where will it create?)"
Yep, build one from scratch. To obtain imagex.exe, download and install WAIK. Or grab it here: http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/156869-get-waik-tools-wo-downloading-the-huge-isos/
install.wim will be created where you choose. imagex let's you specify the path.
"however it doesn't mean the rest of the source file is the latest version, e.g. after all patches, right?" - all will have the latest version after installing with the new install.wim.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
one thing, I have 2 x VPN on my PC, once windows 8.1 native VPN and one Cisco anyconnect VPN, will repair install break the VPN ?

for refresh PC operation, I think it will break both and I need to reconfigure both, right?
McKnifeCommented:
The inplace-upgrade should leave all those intact. http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/26095-repair-install-window has lists of what is kept and what not.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
Mcknife,

that one is the apps png, right? I am talking about VPN.
McKnifeCommented:
Sorry, I don't understand. I know you are talking about VPN and yes, those will still work.
What's "apps png"?
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"What's "apps png"?"

the link you post here showing me a picutre in png format and it is an apps page of Windows 8.1

I think I need the write down the setting of VPN for the aim of safety, and I will come back and tell you all the process of my works on my home PC.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
but in-place upgrade you talking about here is the same as repair install, right?
McKnifeCommented:
Oh, sorry about that, I don't know what my clipboard held back then, but I meant to link this: http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/26095-repair-install-windows-8-a.html

Yes, inplace-upgrade is also known as repair installation (but is something totally different then startup repair).
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"but is something totally different then startup repair"

startup repair mean refresh PC and reset PC ?
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
yeah, that link is repair install and need a windows 8.1 ISO disk for it,..

but can't see why refresh PC don't need an ISO or how can it find out some  good file to replace my system file which make my system doesn't work.

so right now the best thing to do is:
1) try repair install by running setup of a latest Windows 8.1 Source and then keep running Windows update until no update any more before running any application again.

2) if 1) doesn't work, then I need to refresh PC, which will remove all my application but apps.

am I right?
McKnifeCommented:
"startup repair mean refresh PC and reset PC ?" - no. startup repair repair the startup process and nothing more.
1)&2) right.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
""startup repair mean refresh PC and reset PC ?" - no. startup repair repair the startup process and nothing more."

sorry I don't get it.

so you agree that I do 1) first and if it doesn't work, then 2) , right?
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
If you can do a startup repair first and it works great.

If a startup repair does not work (it does not always work), then do a refresh second. Refresh is built into Windows Recovery when you have Windows running.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"If you can do a startup repair first and it works great."

wait, start up repair means:

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/26095-repair-install-windows-8-a.html
?

"then do a refresh second. Refresh is built into Windows Recovery when you have Windows running."

then do the "REFRESH PC" from the recovery tab in Windows 8.1 setting ?
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
wait, start up repair means   <--- I meant Repair install. That is what we have been referring to.

REFRESH PC" from the recovery tab in Windows 8.1 setting ?  <--- Yes.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"wait, start up repair means   <--- I meant Repair install. That is what we have been referring to.
":

yes! we are talking about the same thing! good, I think I will try this week end.

"
REFRESH PC" from the recovery tab in Windows 8.1 setting ?   <--- Yes. "

good too !

the third option if both can't will be reset the PC! haahha
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
Dear all,

when I am doing repair install:

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/26095-repair-install-windows-8-a.html

there are no option for me to keep Windows settings, personal files and apps but only "keep persona files only "!

any idea why ? only Windows 8.1 enterprise edition can do it?

I have 2 x Windows 8.1 source ISO and 1x Windows 8 source in DVD, both giving me the same thing.
McKnifeCommented:
Same language, same edition, same architecture (x64)? If yes, then it would work.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
yes!

everything is the same !

X64 ! we only have x64 for Windows 8.1 , right?
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Yes, if you have x64 it should work.
McKnifeCommented:
No, there are two editions, still x86 and x64. Please check using the keys winkey and pause together.

If that matches your setup disk, then it's odd. I only use setup disks with update1 already integrated. Get one.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"No, there are two editions, still x86 and x64. Please check using the keys winkey and pause together."

is X64, I am sure.

as the ISO I download only x64.

"No, there are two editions, still x86 and x64. Please check using the keys winkey and pause together."

I heard on Windows 8.1 enterprise edition will show this.
McKnifeCommented:
If the language pack is the same - and please notice, there is a difference between an installation, let's say in german, with an english languagepack and a "native" english installation - then the only possible reason is you don't use an ISO with update1 already integrated. I remarked that before but you didn't comment.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"If the language pack is the same - and please notice, there is a difference between an installation, let's say in german, with an english languagepack and a "native" english installation,"


I tried 2x diff ISO , one with update one without, both can't !
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
tks all for that. and I think I will come back for this topic again after this week as I think I really need to refresh the PC and I have no choice now.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
any other URL for me to download another ISO to proof that?
 
I try my own Windows 8 DVD, it doesn't work too ! I use this DVD to install my first Windows 8 and then windows update to Windows 8.1
McKnifeCommented:
Make a test: install 8.1 to a vm. After installing try the inplace upgrade. It will offer to keep programs settings and files ANY TIME. For sure you don't have a suitable ISO.
I had a user once who had the same problem and he insisted it is the same version he used back then. It wasn't. He forgot he added a language pack some day.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"He forgot he added a language pack some day."

ok, language pack here mean different keyboard and display language ?
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"Make a test: install 8.1 to a vm. "

you mean create a Windows 8.1 VM inside the Windows 8.1 machine using Hyper-V ?
McKnifeCommented:
Anywhere you like. I just want to stress (and prove) that a repair install doesn't just "sometimes/sometimes not" offer to keep settings apps and data, but always. If it does not for you, then without a doubt, the ISO you use does not match your windows installation language, architecture, edition or major update level.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"If it does not for you, then without a doubt, the ISO you use does not match your windows installation language, architecture, edition or major update level."

major update level means service pack/patches level ?

"windows installation language"

I think I should check this! the installation language is English and I add other language to it as display and keyboard language
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