Bought MS intellimouse from China. Doesnt look like one I bought on newegg

bought an intellimouse on newegg and it doesnt have a hologram on the bottom like the one I bought years back on newegg.
Is it a fake?
Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAsked:
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StolsieCommented:
Possibly post some pictures, under and top possibly packaging aswell.
why not buy direct from MS store if you are worried about getting a fake?
Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
Ok, I'll post some pictures later today.
Where's the microsoft store?
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Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
StolsieCommented:
StolsieCommented:
Beats me the one from China looks more authentic then the one with Alienware branding lol
Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
lol
speed_54Commented:
My guess is that it probably comes out of the same factory that produces the official product. It looks the same, but only time will tell
Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
If it installs as the intellimouse, is that the deciding factor?
Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
Here's what the vendor says:
Dear customer We promise it's original made in China.It can be identified by the The Microsoft official website  that operating system is genuine.  Hoping  our answer will help you.  Pease go to the official website to download  the driver.It will shows the mouse is genuine parts.  Can you tell us what is missing?We checked both the CD and the adater are in the package as the pictures shows.What's different with the picture?  If you have any furether questions lease feel free to ask us.We will try our best to help you .
speed_54Commented:
IMOHO, it really doesn't matter which one you've got, as I've had official products that broke unexpectedly, and cheap knock-offs that lasted longer than expectation.

>>If it installs as the intellimouse, is that the deciding factor?
not necessarily. It's to do with the components inside the mouse. There is some debate on other sites whether the the components will wear as well as the official product.
Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
OK trying to reach Newegg again.  I'm not convinced this is legitimate w/o the hologram
BillDLCommented:
I'm not convinced that it is (a) not stolen (b) genuine.  It is advertised as:
Item specifics
"Condition: New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging"
but in the description, in two places in red text, it states quite clearly:
"Description: Not including the original package."
and
"Notice: Retail Package does not comes with this mouse".

Microsoft packaging always has a hologram sticker.  It sounds to me as though it has been one of many stolen by factory workers from the production line or a rejects bin, manufactured "on the side" using the same components, or is a complete clone of a genuine one.

19 Negative feedback in 12 months complaining about mice and camera lenses.  39 Neutral, and 4866 Positive in the same period.

The vast majority of the complaints are about badly fitting camera lenses, which makes me think they are probably fakes, and there are some complaints about the wrong model and colour of mice being received.  I didn't notice any accusations of the mice being fakes, but when you buy any tech via eBay from a Hong Kong seller you take your chances.
Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
Im going to return it.

I am curious how the counterfeiters are getting the mouse to load as an intellimouse
Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
Any ideas?
BillDLCommented:
Microchip(s) on the circuitry of any device are programmed with identifying details.  That's generally how network cards, graphics cards, keyboards, USB Flash Drives, digital cameras, and so on are identified when they are inserted or plugged in.  We can only assume that counterfeiters have stolen chips or have the technology to program blank chips so that they work like the genuine ones.

Keyboards and Mice are recognised by Windows as Human Interface Devices, and the relevant host controller of the computer asks them to identify themselves.  The ID on the chips in these devices are hard-coded with a Vendor ID (VID), Product ID (PID), and a Revision Number.  Whenever a new device is made the vendor assigns a Product ID.  The VID and PID must be unique to each released product.

All a counterfeiter needs to do is get a genuine one and program their own chips so that they are recognised by computers as the genuine article.  I don't know what devices are used to program chips, but this type of process is widely used in the automotive industry.  If you make enough counterfeits the cost of the machine to do this is probably quite easily paid off.

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Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
That's messed up.
Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
Is it illegal for us to purchase counterfeit parts like this?
BillDLCommented:
I don't know the laws of the land in America, but the whole concept of counterfeiting products is to fool buyers into believing that they are buying a genuine product.  We are therefore victims of fraudulent activity.

If you were a middle man who was buying thousands of items and seling them on to another company or person, then you would be guilty of trading in counterfeit goods if it was shown that you should have known that the goods were fake (or stolen for that matter).  Most often it is a much lower price that makes it apparent that the goods aren't genuine.  It isn't the buying part that would get you in trouble, it is the selling on to another that makes this type of trade unlawful.

If you bought a crate of those mice from an importer at a price that was considerably lower than you could buy genuine ones, then you risk having them confiscated by customs or trading standards government bodies if they were intercepted on their way into America or at a later stage if they were following leads.  You would not be compensated, even if you said that you thought they were genuine, and if you had sold any you could be charged with trading in counterfeit goods.

Even if there is a law covering the purchase of counterfeits, I can't see one person being charged for buying one mouse, can you?  If the mouse is counterfeit, and if there ever was a big enquiry into whether the mice were genuine, then you might be called as a prosecution witness to describe how you bought the product which was then advertised as genuine and was being sold at a price whereby you believed it to be genuine.
Mark O'BrienDispatch Software Support and Server AdministrationAuthor Commented:
Thank you all for helping on this.  This is really confusing.
BillDLCommented:
Thank you Mark88
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