4 TB External disk to handle 8GB video files..

what factors will you look for to decide which external drive (brand) is best to store multiples of 8GB video files on a 4TB disk.?

thanks.
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Nathan HawkinsTechnical Lead - Network SecurityCommented:
Honestly... Any External 4TB drive would suffice... IMO...why go hard drives? You can get 1TB thumb drives off of Ebay for like less than $40... The cost difference combined with the solid state nature of a Thumb drive is IMO the best way to go...
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
Some 'budget' caddies don't have a power switch    ..... bad

Some 'budget' caddies are welded together (i.e. no screws) ...... very bad ......
..... if you ever need to remove the disk drive from the caddy (e.g. for file/partition recovery).
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
No disrespect Sec-Man but ....

A "1TB thumb drive off of Ebay for like less than $40" is a fake!
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Nathan HawkinsTechnical Lead - Network SecurityCommented:
Um... Please make sure you express that is your opinion (and I might add a VERY inaccurate one) rather than an actual fact. So lets try a fact... I actually own 3 of these each $39.99 (free shipping) or less and all are as advertised...
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
You have 3 fakes.
When the 1TB flash drives become widely available they will probably cost over $1,000

Test your drives with this
http://www.portablefreeware.com/?id=1519
and claim a paypal refund
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Dan CraciunIT ConsultantCommented:
>>When the 1TB flash drives become available

You mean these?: http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-DataTraveler-Predator-1TB-DTHXP30/dp/B00E65QM8O
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
It edited that to widely available Dan!

Do you agree with me about the fakes?
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Dan CraciunIT ConsultantCommented:
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Dan CraciunIT ConsultantCommented:
Those are all internal drives, no caddy involved.
This is an external drive: http://www.amazon.com/Book-USB-Hard-Drive-Backup/dp/B00E3RH61W
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Dan CraciunIT ConsultantCommented:
BTW, you can buy internal drives and use a docking station to connect them. It's the cheaper alternative to buying a bunch of external drives.
Something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Tool-Free-Inateck-External-Including-Optimized/dp/B00ITDSN5Y
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Nathan HawkinsTechnical Lead - Network SecurityCommented:
Guys... I have tested them... You again are using what is termed "common thinking"...meaning common sense (AKA Your Opinion...) And to be clear you are using zero facts to substantiate what I already KNOW to be a fact. Regardless of your opinions... They are verified to be 1TB flash drives, and FURTHER are still what I believe to be the way to go is... As I Already Stated Previously...

If you are going to comment AT LEAST verify that what you are saying isnt only accurate (of which clearly you are NOT), but that you can substantiate what you are claiming to be a fact with something OTHER than your opinion...
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
"... verify that what you are saying ..."
"... substantiate what you are claiming to be a fact ..."

YOU could take your own advice by simply providing a link to this outstanding deal you claim is available :-)

Note that some of the 1TB drives advertised on e-bay have the identical picture as the one that's clearly identified as a fake.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
25112 =>  WHICH drive you get isn't as much an issue as how you format it.    If you're going to load it with primarily large video files, I'd use a fairly large allocation unit size ... probably 16k ... as this makes access more efficient, and the larger amount of "waste" that this will average per file isn't a big deal when your average file sizes are that large.

Some external drives come formatted with FAT32 -- be sure to reformat them in NTFS.    I'd actually reformat any drive you get to (a) remove any "junk" that's shipped with the drive and (b) to change the allocation unit size as I noted above.

I agree that if you plan to have several of these, you may want to simply use an external caddy and store the drives not currently in use in WiebeTech DriveBoxes  [ http://www.amazon.com/DriveBox-3851-0000-11-Hard-Disk-Case/dp/B004UALLPE ]
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Nathan HawkinsTechnical Lead - Network SecurityCommented:
@garycase - I do not need to prove anything to you sir, since I am using facts and not opinions. You on the other hand have everything to prove since you have nothing but your opinion(s).

I continue to maintain the less than $40 1TB flash drive as the better option and since no one else has anything but opinions... It seems to stand taller than all other "suggestions"...
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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
1TB flash drive is a future which did not come yet :).
They make it look as 1TB by setting the read/write requests into a circle. Bur if you try to pit 1TB data ro such stick then it will take 100years to complete the operation. Btw, this trick is widely done with old 128MB usb sticks.

To the topic: any USB drive which has USB3.0 interface and is formatted as NTFS - should be ok for you 25112.
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Dan CraciunIT ConsultantCommented:
>>1TB flash drive is a future which did not come yet :)
Really? That future came in 2013. And the link is several posts above.

Here it is again: http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-DataTraveler-Predator-1TB-DTHXP30/dp/B00E65QM8O

The problem is not that 1TB flash drives are not available, it's that the cost is too high yet.
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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
Dan, I meant the future where the 1TB usb stick would cost the same as 24GB USB stick costs. Agree, 800$ for a stick is not the price that one freely pays :)
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25112Author Commented:
All, I think we have the consensus now on the 4tb disk!

Dan,

1)
Yes,I could consider internals with docking station as you recommend.

The Inateck product you recommended.. do you it the same functionality as the below, which I do see i have:
{
XIGMATEK Secure III Extreme Speed Docking Station
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817815025
}

2)
Regarding external
thanks for your reco:
http://www.amazon.com/Book-USB-Hard-Drive-Backup/dp/B00E3RH61W

how do you compare that to the same company's different kind of 4TB:
http://www.amazon.com/WD-Cloud-EX2-Pre-configured-featuring/dp/B00I2P82CS
would it see it a fit just for arching these 8GB files? pros/cons?
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Dan CraciunIT ConsultantCommented:
1. Most of the docking stations have the same functionality. I have a Sharkoon that works well for 2 years now. If you already own the Xigmatek then it's good enough.

2. The Cloud -EX2 comes with 2x4TB drives, but it's configured in mirror, so the total available capacity is 4TB. I use an older WD mirror device with 2x2TB drives for backups at home and it does the job well.
The advantage is that if one of the drives dies, you don't lose the data. And you get somewhat better read speeds from a RAID1 setup.
The disadvantage is that you pay twice for the same capacity.
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nickg5Commented:
25112:
To possible benefit us what type video do you have that are 8GB?
Are you not compressing them or they can not be?
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25112Author Commented:
Dan, thanks for the note on the docking station.

regarding the WD Cloud, the below seems same price
http://store.westerndigital.com/store/wdus/en_US/DisplayAccesoryProductDetailsPage/ThemeID.21986300/productID.305582200/categoryId.13096400
as
http://www.amazon.com/Book-USB-Hard-Drive-Backup/dp/B00E3RH61W

would that be a no-brained to then go for the WD Cloud, in your opinion? (would you be concerned abt the refurbished aspect)?
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25112Author Commented:
Nick,

they are all video files, each running about 25-30 mins. no compression employed.
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nickg5Commented:
thanks....good luck to you on yours!
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Dan CraciunIT ConsultantCommented:
As long as it has both drives and not just the enclosure, it's a good deal.
Since it's refurbished by the manufacturer I would not worry about it.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
No, you can't tell how the drives are formatted from the specs => they don't even show if they're FAT-32 or NTFS, let alone the allocation block size.    When you get whichever unit you decide to get, just right-click on the drive; select Properties; and it will show if it's FAT-32 or NTFS.    With large drives like this, I'd expect most of them to already be NTFS, but some vendors still use FAT-32 so they're compatible with both PC's and Mac's.

Assuming the drive is NTFS, you can then see the cluster size using fsutil.    Open a Command Prompt with admin privileges [right-click on a Command Prompt shortcut and select "Run as Administrator"]; then type "fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo X:"  where X => the drive letter.

By default most drives will use 4096 bytes/cluster.   What I'd recommend is you reformat the drive using 16k blocks ... then fsutil will show 16384 bytes/cluster.    This is a VERY quick procedure that will just take a couple minutes as long as you check the "quick format" box when you format it.

Note, by the way, that the older MyCloud drive you referenced is NOT the same as the MyCloud EX2 you referenced earlier from Amazon [ http://www.amazon.com/WD-Cloud-EX2-Pre-configured-featuring/dp/B00I2P82CS ].    Both are designed to provide web-based access [that's the "cloud" part of the drive] .... but the EX2 unit is a fault-tolerant NAS, whereas the one you just referenced is a single drive unit that can be accessed via the web.     Also, note that the actual capacity of the EX2 depends on how you configure it.   By default, it's configured as a RAID-1, so the "4TB" unit will only have 2TB of capacity (although you could configure it as RAID-0 and have 4TB of non-fault-tolerant capacity).   To get 4TB of fault-tolerant storage you'd need the 8TB unit.

Unless you need/want the ability to access the disk via the web, I'd just get a standard 4TB WD MyBook like this:  http://www.amazon.com/Book-USB-Hard-Drive-Backup/dp/B00E3RH61W => assuming your data is already backed up and that you don't want to use a caddy with internal drives.    The caddy/internal combo is probably more convenient if you're going to have a lot of drives, but if you just need one or two, the MyBook's are excellent choices.
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Nathan HawkinsTechnical Lead - Network SecurityCommented:
It really does boggle the mind at how dumb people can be... Anyone who would pay $800 for something that cost $40 is truly stupid... Attached are the drive specs on my $40 x 1TB Flash drive... As previously stated... its VERIFIED to be 1 TB - several times over...

I stand corrected - You can now get 2TB flash drives for $60 or cheaper

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-2000GB-USB-2-0-Metal-High-Speed-Flash-Drive-US-SELLER-/131512825076?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e9ec674f4

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-flash-drive-2-TB-metal-flash-drive-silver-Support-USB-version-2-0-and-1-0-/201350019672?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ee1657a58

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-2000GB-USB-2-0-Gold-Color-Metal-High-Speed-Flash-Drive-AA20-US-SELLER-/131512846423?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e9ec6c857

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-2TB-USB-Flash-Drive-v220w-NEW-Windows-Mac-High-Speed-Solid-Metal-Design-2000G-/261885016839?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf9903b073


I could keep listing these all day... So again... If you buy the spindle drive... you are being Foolish...
1TB-Flash-Drive.jpg
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Wow ... such bargains !!  
Turns out, in fact, that the v220w (the model # shown in your ads above for the HP products)  IS a valid HP flash drive => EXCEPT that according to the specification sheet for that model it comes in capacities of 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, and 16GB .... just a tad short of 2TB :-)
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c02972491.pdf

HP  has a newer version -- the v221w, that comes in a 32GB version ... for ~ $30
http://store.hp.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/us/en/hp-v221w-32gb-usb-flash-drive-p-f5v33aa-aba--1?jumpid=ba_r329_hhocse&aoid=44661&003=6663635&010=F5V33AA%23ABA&ci_sku=F5V33AA%23ABA&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw=

Those links sure show some great deals -- now if only they were REAL products :-)
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
It really does boggle the mind at how dumb people can be
All too true! I don't know why eBay allows these fake products.

Sec-Man, please tell me ..... did you actually run a test on your "1TB" drive with the software I mentioned earlier?
That's a screenshot I would love see.
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