Microsoft Access - best way to handle a relationship

I have a database with the follwoing scenario:
A company has shipping rates, to many different ports throughout the world. So there may be 20 companies, with rates to 50 different ports. But these rates can be subject to a haulage charge which is dependent upon which region the end port is in. So a haulage company will charge a different rate if the load is going to Far East or South America. The way I have got around this is to have a table which lists all regions that the haulage company will export to. (Stay with me, I'm getting to the point!) This leads to a huge problem because this table starts to get huge (over a million records). As most haulage companies go to all regions, it would make much more sense to only keep a record of where these haulage companies DON'T export. This would result in a table with probably only 100 or so records.

My problem is - how do I write the SQL to only look for records that aren't there, rather than those that are?

I have attached a sample database, but I have had to hack so much out of it that it may not make sense.
shipping-cost-be2.accdb
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Jim Dettman (Microsoft MVP/ EE MVE)President / OwnerCommented:
<<My problem is - how do I write the SQL to only look for records that aren't there, rather than those that are?>>

You want what's called an outer join.

 When you do the join between your tables. normally it's an "equi-join" or one in which a record is returned only if you find a match in both tables.

 After making your join, double click on it.   You'll want all records returned from your "main" table (usually option #2).

 Now bring down into the grid the fields from your main table, and the key field from the table your trying to find data in.

 Under that column in the grid, you can but either:

Not is null

 - Which will give you all records where there is data in that table your looking in.

or

Is Null

 - Which will give you all the records from the main table where there is no matching record in the table your looking in.

 Play around with that with a small example and you'll see what I mean.

Jim.
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rick_dangerAuthor Commented:
Jim
Thanks for your answer. I have tried this solution in the past, but didn't get anywhere.
 I have re-attached the database, after changing some of the data.

Looking at the screenshot that I have also supplied, the situation is that, for example,
"haulage_route" 752109 has regions 9, 10 and 11 associated to it,
"haulage_route" 752110 is associated to 10 and 11.

This means that they are the regions they do not go to. So, for each "haulage_route" I need to know which regions they do go to.
In the case of 752109, it goes to regions 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5
In the case of 752110, it goes to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 9.

I need a query that gives me those results.
shipping-cost-be2.accdb
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PatHartmanCommented:
If the hauling charge for region A is the same regardless of which company and which embarkation point, then the hauling charge table needs only to be by region.  You don't need a row for each combination.  However, if the rate is by company, then you need to use Company and region as the PK.  But unless the rate is different by embarkation point, you don't need the full cross reference that you are building.

You would use a left join when joining to this table since you will not always find a row.
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rick_dangerAuthor Commented:
I need t know which companies go to which regions. There pricing can be different dependent upon which region it is.

The example supplied may not be that brilliant because I have had to exclude so much, but the point of all of this is that I need to know which regions are not covered by each haulage route.
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PatHartmanCommented:
How many regions?
How many companies?

Companies * Regions = number of rows you need.

PS, some of us can't download databases.  We are not all working at a computer.
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rick_dangerAuthor Commented:
Pat
Not sure what you are trying to tell me. I'm no expert, but I don't see the relevance of your questions.

Whilst I appreciate your offer of help, if you can't see what I've uploaded I don't think you will be able to help.

Thanks anyway.
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Jim Dettman (Microsoft MVP/ EE MVE)President / OwnerCommented:
Sorry I've been MIA on this...got really busy here.   I'll look at the DB first thing in the morning and see if I can  answer your questions.

jim.
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als315Commented:
You have correct query, but there were some wrong fields. Look at corrected DB
shipping-cost-be2.accdb
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rick_dangerAuthor Commented:
als315 - I can;t work out what you've doen there, but the query you've provided gives the opposite to what I want.

What I need is what I have written above:
In the case of 752109, it goes to regions 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5

In the case of 752110, it goes to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 9.

Thanks for your help.
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Jim Dettman (Microsoft MVP/ EE MVE)President / OwnerCommented:
I'll let Anthony finish up since he's already worked on this.

Jim.
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rick_dangerAuthor Commented:
Jim
Please feel free to help! With all due respect to the other kind efforts, we're not close to a solution yet.

I'm grateful for the help, but we're not there yet. If you think you can help, please do.
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Jim Dettman (Microsoft MVP/ EE MVE)President / OwnerCommented:
I'm sure Anthony will get you squared away, but since this has already dragged out thanks to me, I'll work on it if he hasn't gotten back to you within a couple of hours.

Jim.
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rick_dangerAuthor Commented:
That's very kind of you to take the blame! I think that's very unfair - I'm just grateful for the help, even if we do take a couple of wrong turns on the way!
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als315Commented:
Rick, sorry for misunderstanding. If you like to find routes, missing in you should at first create query with full possible values (qry_Region_Route) and then find missing values (qry_Final)
shipping-cost-be3.accdb
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rick_dangerAuthor Commented:
Well explained, good solution.

Thanks very much
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