drive with Boot manager is failing

I have a system that is apparently booting to a boot manager on a drive that is starting to fail (original drive that I only access for data). I boot from the newer SSD.  I need to make the SSD drive bootable without the boot manager on the drive I want to retire.
The Old OS is windows 7 and new OS is windows 8.  The Boot manager comes up with a Windows 8 boot manager but if I remove the Windows 7 drive, no bootable drive period.  

It could also be that because the drive in question was disconnected and Boot manager couldn't see it, it fails.  Haven't dealt with boot manager issues. Please be as remedial as you'd like with any suggestions.  I've dumped the bcdedit file but not comfy with any syntax to remove until/unless I know what and how it will affect the SSD drive and whether or not I need to modify anything on it to make it bootable as a stand alone.
 
thank you.
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rindiCommented:
Remove the failing drive, then boot the PC from Paragon's free rescue kit:

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/rk-free/
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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
First of all you need to know how the Windows boots at all. The stages look as follows:
1) The PC starts and initializes BIOS
2) Then the hardware scan is done - looking for a boot devices
3) A hard drive found - look on it for an active partition
4) Active partition is found - look for OS Loaders on it (look for Boot Manager)
5) Boot Manager (or OS loader in other words) points to OS files (Windows folder in our case). This pointing is written currently in BCD file (earlier systems such as XP have Boot.ini)
6) Load Windows

So, now what you need is to find out where the MSR partition is. Since Windows Vista the Boot Manager files reside in MSR partition (100MB for MBR drive and 128MB for GPT).
If it is on a failing drive then you need simply copy its content to C: partition on SSD drive.
If you do not want the Windows 7 record anymore then simply copy from installation DVD of Windows 8 the file BootMgr and Boot folder to root of C: on SSD drive. Then set this partition Active.
Turn off PC. Disconnect the failing drive and try to boot from single SSD drive. It could fail and ask for repair. If you insert the Windows 8 DVD and run Repair (or use the Boot Corrector tool from Rescue Kit recommended above) then the Windows will boot from SSD drive.

If you need more details feel free to ask.
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nobusCommented:
show us a screenshot of disk manager, showing the drives and partitions plse
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David BirdPartnerAuthor Commented:
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nobusCommented:
it is booting from the F: drive partition (active)
if you move that partition to the new drive you want  - it should be ok
if it does not boot use the parogon tool : boot corrector


but remember to disconnect all drives NOT NEEDED for this - to avoid disk selecting problems
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David BirdPartnerAuthor Commented:
I thought so too.  But When I pull the D: drive, nothing boots.  I'll pull both drives and see if it'll boot to C: Thank you for the information!
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nobusCommented:
that's possible
you havbe to set the boot priority to the correct drive first in the BIOS
or coorrect it with the paragon boot corrector tool
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rindiCommented:
You have to boot from the paragon CD, not from your HD's.
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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
It is not booting from F drive, it is booting from 100MB MSR partition on drive 1.
Move the content of this small Partition to C drive. Set C active and turn off PC. Disconnect Drive 1 and start PC. It must boot from drive 0.
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David BirdPartnerAuthor Commented:
Noxcho,
The C drive does not have a partition on it to move/copy the MSR nor is there space to create the partition.  Is this the piece where you would suggest a partition tool, resize and copy/move or am I still being thick and not understanding?
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rindiCommented:
Have you tried paragon's rescue kit I suggested? It should be able to fix such issues.
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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
I am not saying you need to move the entire partition but only the data from this partition.
Assign a drive letter to MSR partition first - it is 100MB partition in front of F: drive.
Then copy all content from it to C: drive, just to root.
You can do this copy also via Rescue Kit tool which rindi is referring to. It has File Transfer Wizard and Boot Corrector tool which you need.
Here is a video tutorial how to do it: http://www.experts-exchange.com/videos/429/How-to-copy-out-quickly-files-from-the-system-which-won%27t-boot-anymore-using-Paragon-Rescue-Kit-14-F.html
Here how to use Boot Corrector: http://www.experts-exchange.com/videos/431/How-to-investigate-and-fix-system-startup-problems-using-Paragon-Rescue-Kit-Free.html
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nobusCommented:
look in the bios how that drive is identified, and set the boot priority to it
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David BirdPartnerAuthor Commented:
Sorry for "abandoning" the question. I have been out of pocket.  

The bios is set for the windows 8 drive.  I used the rescue software and it "said" it moved the primary boot loader to the windows 8 drive.  It did not work.  
However, the drive that was failing was NOT the boot manager drive and has been removed.  There are other quirky things going on with this OS and I think it's just time to bite the bullet and reload.  

Thank you to everyone for their help.  The information was ALL valuable.
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