Windows 8.1 recovery disk and recovery partition?

I am running windows 8.1 on a desktop pc.  I copied the recovery partition to a 16 GB usb drive.  However, I do not get the option of making a recovery disk...the disk you would use if Windows does not boot and you have to replace the hard drive.  What gives here?  If the hard drive fails how do I boot the computer?
thanks,
capreol
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Go to Action Center, click on Recovery and then Create a Recovery Drive.

There is no need to copy the recovery partition to a USB key.
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capreolAuthor Commented:
What if the hard drive fails?  Where should the recovery drive be located?  And what about the recovery disk we had to create in Windows 7 and previous versions of Windows?
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
A recovery drive as created in Windows 8 / 8.1 will correct a machine that won't boot properly.

In order to recover a failed hard drive, you need to create a complete set of recovery DVD's, This can be done (usually just once) by selecting that option from the Vendor recovery menu. This works for Lenovo computers as well as some other manufacturers. But it was a vendor supplied routine (on my computers) and not a Windows routine.

I have not see this function on my Windows 8 machines and I purchased recovery DVD's from Lenovo (that I have tested to be working).

Some way or another, you need to create a complete backup and copying the partition does not create a recovery disk (at least not on my machines).
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dbruntonCommented:
Here are the instructions from Microsoft for creating recovery media

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-NZ/windows-8/create-reset-refresh-media
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rindiCommented:
From Windows 8.x onwards the manufacturers no longer include a tool to create recovery DVD's, as that is now integrated with the OS (and you don't create DVD's anymore, but rather USB sticks). You do that via the control panel, recovery, create recovery drive, and then you select the recovery partition to be included. That creates a bootable USB stick that you can use for fixing booting and OS problems, and also to restore the system to a factory delivered system.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Yes, but you can also get Vendor supplied complete recovery DVD's for new blank hard drives. I do this myself.
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capreolAuthor Commented:
I created this recovery drive on a 16 GB USB thumb drive by following the prompts on my Toshiba laptop which is running windows 8.1.  The prompts indicated that I could use 3 DVD's or a 16 GB flash drive.  The recovery partition is about 11.2 GB.  During the procedure there was no direction to create a recovery disk...like the direction we received when doing this with previous versions of Windows.  Does this mean that I would be able to boot from this 16 GB USB thumb drive in the event of a disaster...i.e the computer will not boot because the hard drive has died?
thanks,
capreol
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
As I noted, the recovery partition is not the same as the Recovery DVDs ( a lot more than 11GB). So you need the recovery DVD's
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
You could get a new hard drive (blank) and test your recovery USB. That would be a good idea in any event.
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rindiCommented:
That must be something specific Toshiba. Normally you can just use the control panel option I mentioned to create the USB stick, which is bootable and can restore the system to factory defaults. But you don't get the option to create DVD's with it.
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capreolAuthor Commented:
Addendum to my previous posting re this issue:  the single best thing that Microsoft could do in terms of public relations and helping them maintain satisfied customers is to provide the disk for the operating system when folks purchase a new computer.  It would cost them pennies and it would go a long way in terms of helping computer owners restore their system in the event of a calamity.  This whole approach regarding recovery partitions and recovery disks is beyond the average human being and should be modified to help computer users rather than to confuse and leave them stranded!
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capreolAuthor Commented:
the Toshiba laptop indicated that I create recovery software and then it directed me to insert a 16 GB USB thumb drive and complete the process.  There was an option to create this recovery software and it required 3 DVD's....single sided.  That is well under 16 GB's.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I suggest you try it out on a blank hard drive.
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dbruntonCommented:
>>  is to provide the disk for the operating system when folks purchase a new computer.

They do.

See http://windows.microsoft.com/en-NZ/windows-8/create-reset-refresh-media
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capreolAuthor Commented:
that is correct...the USB stick must be bootable. That is what is essential to know because in the past I had to create the recovery media and also a recovery disk.  I do not want to be creating recovery media and not be able to boot.  Further to my previous post, Microsoft has to change this situation...they have to include the OS disk...my best guess is that they are not doing this because they want stranded folks to purchase a new license for the O.S.  This is a very undesirable state of affairs.
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rindiCommented:
It is an OEM OS, so not m$ has to provide the media, but rather the OEM (in your case Toshiba). No one provides the media these days, they usually have to cut their costs so they can compete with the others. Besides, if the user fails to make his recovery media, he can at least get some additional revenue by charging a small fee for their media.
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capreolAuthor Commented:
This is a question for dbrunton...why is it that when you read Microsoft's instructions for creating the installation media for windows 8.1, it only requires a 4 GB thumb drive and yet when I created the recovery drive for this Toshiba laptop running windows 8.1 the prompts from the OS indicated that I had to use a USB thumb drive with a capacity of 16 GB?  Following the prompts I did this and then checked the size of the recovery data and it was equal to 11.0 GB with one of the files named ZZimages...that file was 10.7 GB?
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rindiCommented:
The Windows 8.1 installation media is not factory restore media that is meant for certain PC's only. It only contains the OS without extra drivers, additional software etc. It is practically the same as if you bought a windows 8.1 package without a product key.

The recovery stick needs to be a little larger than the recovery partition on the PC. I'm not aware of any such sticks that have around 12 GB capacity, normal sizes are 8 GB (which would be too small), and then the next size is 16 GB (which is just right). Usually the next larger size is always double the previous size.
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