Are my Office 2010 apps available in the background even though I cannot see them

Hello,

Well over a year ago, I upgraded each of my MS Office apps from 2010 to 2013 (32-bit) with the exception of Outlook & Visio which are still 2010.

A couple of weeks ago, I exported a report from QuickBooks Pro 2013 and for some reason, it opened in an Excel 2010 window — complete with my custom 2010 Quick Access Toolbar (QAT) settings. That surprised me because I have been using only Excel 2013 for a long time and thought Excel 2010 was no longer on my system — and indeed (as shown in the following screenshot), it does not appear in my [Start menu] > [All Programs] list:

office appsI had forgotten how much I like Excel 2010's higher-capacity QAT and ability to open multiple workbooks in a single instance. As a result, I have stopped using Excel 2013 and instead do everything with Excel 2010.

Now I am thinking I'd also like to go back to Word 2010 because all the fonts in Word 2013 are so fuzzy that I rarely ever use it. However, I don't know if Word 2010 is still on my system (as Excel 2010 apparently was) and even if it is (still on my system), I have no idea how to get to it.

I still have both sets (2010 & 2013) of Office installation DVD's but I am hesitant to try installing Word 2010 from the DVD because of the following statement from the MS Office support site:
"Install earlier versions of Office first. For example, install Office 2010 before installing Office 2013."
and I'd like to avoid having to uninstall and then reinstall Office 2013.

Thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks

PS  OS is Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit)
WeThotUWasAToadAsked:
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
You have many questions here.

1. QuickBooks will only open Excel 2010 if it is installed, even if it does not show up in Start Programs.
2. Multiple versions of Office on the same computer will cause associations issues, which you have.
3. Word 2013 fonts are not fuzzy because of Word 2013. I use it and fonts are very crisp. You could be working in non-native resolution or have some other issue.
4. You can open multiple instances of Excel - I do this all the time. Microsoft seems to have settled on multiple instances instead of multiple windows.

I suggest you evaluate both versions again and settle on only one version. QuickBooks will work well with one version - I use QB all the time.

Remembering that Office 2016 is now out to evaluate (I have it running) and soon to be released, I suggest you make peace with Office 2013 if you can and go with it. I use Office 2013 on Windows 8.1 Pro and it works just fine, fonts and all.
WeThotUWasAToadAuthor Commented:
Thanks for the response.

QuickBooks will only open Excel 2010 if it is installed…
Yes, that seems quite evident.

…even if it does not show up in Start Programs.
Yes, that seems evident also. However, I am asking for:
    a) an explanation of how that is possible, and
    b) how I can determine if Word 2010 is also still installed — as Excel 2010 apparently was.

Multiple versions of Office on the same computer will cause associations issues, which you have.
What are "association issues" and which one(s) do I have?

Word 2013 fonts are not fuzzy because of Word 2013.
I respectfully but completely disagree — and so do 100's of others who have posted complaints or questions online. For example, here are two prominent threads on the Microsoft support forum:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2013_release-word/why-the-fonts-in-word-2013-are-blurry/1d811744-2b48-44df-a20f-ed97c651b239

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-performance/blurry-text-in-windows-8/ed053d17-b525-4e09-bdbc-de91114d975c

Note that the first thread has 112 replies and the second has 65 replies — indicating that this is not a trivial or obscure issue.

Here is just the first page from a Google search using the words "Word 2013 blurry":

Word 2013 blurry fonts
I'd be thrilled if your fonts in Word 2013 are just a sharp as in Word 2010 — and there would be smiles on the faces of untold thousands of users if you can determine how those who have the blurriness can clear it up. However, many supposed solutions have been posted but each seems to quickly be followed by posts from others who state that the just-posted solution results in no improvement. Incidentally, I've also seen some posts which acknowledge that the blurriness problem is well-known and they explain why it is at present and why Microsoft is not fixing it.

You could be working in non-native resolution or have some other issue.
What is a "non-native resolution"?

You can open multiple instances of Excel - I do this all the time.
Yes, and…??

Microsoft seems to have settled on multiple instances instead of multiple windows.
Yes, at the expense of all the lost screen area taken up by the unneeded features at the top of each instance (ie each instance requires its own title bar, ribbon, and QAT). Excel 2010 allows multiple instances and/or multiple windows in a single instance with the latter sharing a common title bar, ribbon, and QAT.

And finally, it's so nice having the entire width of the QAT utilized again (as it is in Office 2010) rather than all the wasted QAT space present in Office 2013:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2013_release-excel/empty-space-in-office-2013-quick-access-toolbar/0d4ec2f4-cfc5-408c-a052-32f3068d7ca8

https://www.hightail.com/download/OGhlb3BCbEFUME5sQXNUQw
Rory ArchibaldCommented:
Search your C drive for Winword.exe

Regarding this comment:
Microsoft seems to have settled on multiple instances instead of multiple windows.
That's not actually true - the multiple windows open in one instance of Excel by default.

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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Excel 2010 can only load if it is installed and you can look in Programs and Features for that.

What is a "non-native resolution"?  Non-native resolution is a resolution different than the base setting on the monitor. My monitor is 1366x768 and that is the resolution I use. I do not scale it down or scale it different.   Also Word 2013 is very sharp on a different Windows 7 X130 that I have. I will check with another person I know.

Also, on my computer, for IE, I use Software rendering, not hardware acceleration. I do not know if this impacts Word.

What are "association issues" and which one(s) do I have? <--- With multiple versions of Excel installed, clicking on an XLS or XLSX file may open a different version than you expect.

On the issues of "instances", I may have mis-spoke and stumbled my words. If I have Excel 2013 open with a workbook and then open another workbook, Excel opens a new window slightly offset from the first Window. That is what I meant. This works for my use.

If you would rather use Office 2010, by all means do so. My overall point above was to pick the Office suite you like, uninstall the others, and use the one you like.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I checked with a colleague who has been using Word 2013 on Windows 8.1 for a couple of months on a Lenovo T400 series machine. I have been using Word 2013 on Windows 8.1 for over 2 years on a Lenovo X230. Neither of us experience blurry fonts in Word. Per the article snippets above, I have Clear Type enabled (I always do this). I have Word 2013 on a Lenovo Windows 7 laptop and it works fine.

Check Hardware Acceleration and Clear Type.
WeThotUWasAToadAuthor Commented:
Search your C drive for Winword.exe
That's just what I was after Rory, and now I've got Word 2010 up and running along with Excel 2010.

Many thanks
WeThotUWasAToadAuthor Commented:
Check Hardware Acceleration and Clear Type.
Both of these issues have been mentioned and discussed in forums but neither is a panacea nor offsets the modification(s) Microsoft implemented in Office 2013 (see reference links above) which constitute the origin of the problem. I'm glad that you are happy with the clarity of your fonts in Word 2013 but many users are not and the latter group includes me.

Now with both versions of Word running, I've been able to do close comparisons to determine what factors are accounting for the difference in clarity. The following screenshot shows Word 2013 above and Word 2010 below along with adjacent zoom images:
Word 2013 vs. 2010
Interestingly, the shading pixels appear to all be grayscale in Word 2013, whereas in Word 2010, they are color as shown here with the additional zoom.
color shading in Word 2010
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
When you say "glad I am happy with my fonts", I should clarify and say my Word 2013 fonts are sharp and crisp.

The bottom right picture indicates a possible video driver problem.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I have to chuckle at the accepted solution because (all due respects to Rory) the post was a side comment to the discussion. Oh well.
WeThotUWasAToadAuthor Commented:
John, your latest comment implies that you do not agree with how this thread was closed. I'm sorry you feel that way but perhaps the following will provide some clarification:

…the accepted solution…was a side comment to the discussion.
Yes that is true. But most of the entire discussion consisted of side comments to the original post.


Why points were awarded as they were
The original post (OP) included the following:
...I am thinking I'd also like to go back to Word 2010 because all the fonts in Word 2013 are so fuzzy that I rarely ever use it. However, I don't know if Word 2010 is still on my system (as Excel 2010 apparently was) and even if it is (still on my system), I have no idea how to get to it.

I still have both sets (2010 & 2013) of Office installation DVD's but I am hesitant to try installing Word 2010 from the DVD…and I'd like to avoid having to uninstall and then reinstall Office 2013.

Thoughts or suggestions?
Rory's suggestion:
Search your C drive for Winword.exe
gave the solution to just what was wanted:
    1) how to determine if Word 2010 was "still on my system" and
    2) "how to get to it"

Therefore, after following his suggestion and discovering it to be correct, I appropriately designated it as the best solution and awarded points accordingly.


Why points were not awarded as they were not
Comments:
a) QuickBooks will only open Excel 2010 if it is installed, even if it does not show up in Start Programs.
b) Multiple versions of Office on the same computer will cause associations issues, which you have.
c) Word 2013 fonts are not fuzzy because of Word 2013. I use it and fonts are very crisp.
d) You could be working in non-native resolution or have some other issue.
e) You can open multiple instances of Excel - I do this all the time.
f) Microsoft seems to have settled on multiple instances instead of multiple windows.
g) I suggest you evaluate both versions again and settle on only one version.
h) QuickBooks will work well with one version - I use QB all the time.
i) Remembering that Office 2016 is now out to evaluate (I have it running) and soon to be released,
j) I suggest you make peace with Office 2013 if you can and go with it.
k) I use Office 2013 on Windows 8.1 Pro and it works just fine, fonts and all.
Corresponding reasons for not awarding points:
a) Obvious (to anyone with basic PC knowledge) and irrelevant
b) irrelevant
c) inaccurate as indicated above
d) a possibility but not the case
e) obvious and irrelevant
f) obvious and irrelevant
g) not helpful since OP makes it clear that's what I'm already doing
h) obvious and completely irrelevant
i) irrelevant
j) not helpful
k) not helpful

In addition to the above, repeatedly stating, "I use this..." or "I do that..." or "I have this...", etc., is not only of little or no help but is also demeaning — particularly if not accompanied by explanations or solutions.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
You did not seem to understand properly the posts that were made.
WeThotUWasAToadAuthor Commented:
You did not seem to understand properly the posts that were made.
I guess not — but nor did Rory apparently since his response included nothing resembling or referring to other posts.

I did understand my OP however and Rory understood it too since he posted exactly what I was asking for and now I am happily using Word 2010 again without having to uninstall Office 2013 or install anything from the original DVD.

Thus, points have been awarded and this thread is closed.
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